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Thread: A Comparison of the Rifles in PVP

shadowlith
Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:45 am
#1

Ok, I haven't tested the Rifle yet, but from the numbers I ran, it seems likea situational PVE weapon. Below is a chart, using the high end weapons from the Tarquinas server, and the stats of the Disruptor made on Test-Bria. In my calculations, I assumed a 32% Max Damage / 16% Mind reduction powerup.For the AR 1 Target, I took a standard set of Composite armor, 75%Resists to Energy and Acid is typical for my server. There are few to no Stun protection suits. I'll post my full conclusions after the numbers.


Weapon: T-21 Laser Jawa Disruptor






DAMAGE COMPARISON


Max Damage: 696 759 224 333


Min Damage: 105 97114 178


Armor Pierce: 3 21 2


Mitigation 3 Max:341353158 240


Strafe Shot 2 Vs:


AR0(unarmored): 823877 394 598

AR 1 (75% Resists): 240 206 394 147


Headshot 3:

AR 0: 576 605 275 418

AR 1: 174 128 275 98






HAM COMPARISON

(Note, this is raw costs, without the shot multiplier.It is impossible for me to calculate for all the possible Focus ranges for all the shots. The costs could range from full 500 for a Strafe2 on a T-21 to a 0 for the same weapon if you have drink/spice. Just keep in mind the magic 1400 mark to make this section pretty much obsolete, but I found the numbers interesting, since the ratio of the mind cost is still the same from one weapon to another, regardless of the shot used. DPH stands for Damage per HAM point Used.)


Base HAM: 10089 4890

HAM w/ P/U: 84 75 40 76


Strafe2 DPH (Non P/U)

AR0: 8.23 9.85 8.2 6.61

AR 1: 2.40 2.31 8.2 1.63


HS3 DPH (Non P/U)

AR 0: 5.76 6.79 5.72 4.64

AR 1: 1.74 1.43 5.72 1.08


Stafe2 DPH (With P/U)

AR 0: 9.79 11.69 9.85 7.86

AR 1:2.852.75 9.85 1.93


HS3 DPH (With P/U)

AR 0: 6.85 8.06 6.875.50

AR 1: 2.07 1.70 6.87 1.28





CONCLUSIONS:


The Jawa came out as the Undisputed champ of PVP armor damage. It has roughly 340% more damage per shot than a T-21 against an AR1 75% Energy resist target (typical of Composit Armor in PVP). Against Unarmored Opponents, the Laser still is the damage king. It outdamages the T-21 by 20%.However, the Disruptor seems like it might take the place of the E-11 and DLT20A for the rapid fire, high minimum role. Tonight when I can get on and browse E-11 and DLT20A damages/HAM costs I will put up comparison numbers for those guns.


I will also be adding a Min damage for each of the shots, to compare which gun will likely have the best average over time.

Hope this helps you guys.




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WharryBite
Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:54 am
#2

Very good, thank you.



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shadowlith
Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:03 am
#3

Thank you. Question though. Does anyone know for certain the damage modifier against AR 0 targets? I've pinned it down to somewhere between 1.15 and 1.5 extra. The 1.5 I got from hitting a guy for about that much over my theoretical Max on Strafe 2 against someone without any Ranged Mitigation or armor. For these calulations I trended on the lower side and used 1.33. Anyone that knows for sure, I would like to keep this as accurate as possible. Thanks.




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G3N0C1DE
Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:14 am
#4

Yea, the new rifle probably won't be too good in pvp, but would those nice range modifiers it will probably be my favorite pve gun.




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SilentJay1284
Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:21 am
#5

5 stars ! !



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klawlegna
Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:17 am
#6

Adding to FAQ section.



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shadowlith
Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:16 pm
#7

Thank you Klawlegna, still waiting fora response on the Vulnerability multiplier to make sure they all add up correctly.




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Martinb4
Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:41 pm
#8

Sure on those Disruptor stats? Were those not the unsliced ones? I ask cause those are some nicely sliced
rifles you're comparing it to....and probably powered-up too!




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shadowlith
Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:25 pm
#9

Wow. Brain fart of the day. I ran those by 4 other riflemen I know, noone caught that. Shoot. I'll throw in a 32% Damage 32% Powerup on the disruptor. I'll have the new stats up by tomorrow morning. Thanks.




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Solti
Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:20 am
#10

the minimum damage on the T21 you have there looks kind of low. I know at least on eclipse if you have a gun with that kind of max damage with powerup you're going to have at least 130 min damage not the 105 you've got listed. Also it might be good to take a look at stocked versus unstocked, albeit much more time comsuming. Other than that, looks like a great job.



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AcidGuru
Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:10 am
#11

Only one question, could you please add the e11 to this list?



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shadowlith
Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:25 am
#12

Was plannin on adding E-11, DLT20A also. And yeah I need to update for the Slice and P/U on the disruptor. Oh and about the T-21, I assume you meant for me to factor in a 16% min damage P/U? T-21's I've seen on Tarq are at about 100-115 min damage.






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teeth0r
Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:40 pm
#13

Double the min damage on the T21. Mine is 258-684 and there's nothing too special about it, just a34% damage slice and a 32%/16% min/max powerup.
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