Rifleman Archive

Tonster,

There's a difference between what you did and what exploiters do. I've seen folks that camp the graveyard and as soon as they find a spawn, they throw down a harvestor in front of it and run in circles around the harvestor trying to get the krayt stuck - that's exploiting. In your case, you ran between 2 solid obstacles that you (as a toon 1/100 the size of a krayt) were able to fit through but not the krayt. That's not exploiting - it's called, what did you call it, "ran like a girl as the behemoth charged at me," and then got lucky the thing got stuck, cause otherwise you'd probably have been dead. Sotaudi's right, report the bug after you finish your kill and tell the guy to shove off. He's probably just jaded cause he's seen enough exploiters in that area that he lumped you with them without giving you a chance to explain your side.

Cheers on the big kill

- Odite Fosore

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Avr wrote:

getting mobs stuck on the terrain is actually considered an exploit. This was actually a huge problem in AC2 it got so bad they had to remove the collition detection on all of the ground objects. General rule of thumb is that if you can hit something that cannot attack back it is a flaw and an exploit.

Are you lame for doing it, I don't think so. Are you lame if you continue to do it after finding out you can answer that yourself. The fact that your here asking about it, becoming more aware of the problem is a good thing.

I would not recommend making this type of hunting a habbit, a CSR might have words with you even worse ban.

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uh oh...where does that leave conceal shot then?

I'm mostly kidding, but sometimes it almost feels like an exploit when you can clear out most of the Forced Labor camp with conceal shot without getting attacked once...

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JoeMenthol wrote:

First of all, has anyone actually got a link to a post from a dev or CSR explicitly labeling this as an exploit? I have yet to find any kind of confirmation on this. People like to say it's an exploit all the time, but I've never actually seen any kind of official warning about it. If you know of such a post, please link to it. I've heard of a lot of people doing this, but never actually heard of anyone getting any kind of warning or punishment as a result.

Secondly, I don't think what you did in this case was wrong. In fact, I would go so far as to say repeating it a few times would be acceptable. However, for some weird ethical reason I can't put my finger on, I think if you put down the harvesters yourself in order to replicate this situation, that would be wrong. For some reason, using pre-existing structures or terrain seems okay to me, but creating a "Krayt Trap" yourself is not . I think it has something to do with usingthe existingenvironment to your benefit (good/okay) versus creating an environment that benefits you (not okay).

I really would like to see some kind of official word on this though, hopefully someone has a link we can reference for future debates like this.

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Joe,

I understand what you are saying, but I think it goes a little too far. One time, yeah, because you did not plan it and only an idiot would give a real creature with the size and attitude of a Krayt a fair chance, but the "Krayt Trap" analogy brings to mind the tactics of a poacher, not a hunter. It conjures images of driving herds of creatures into a box canyon while people high above rain down death. Even in RL, that is illegal. But saving your butt from being a midnight snack by using a fortuitous situation where the creature could not get to you, that is a different matter.

Regarding whether it is an exploit, the term simply means to use something to your advantage in a way that was not intended by the game design. Creatures getting stuck is not an intentional game design feature, and, as I alluded to earler, even if it did not get someone banned, the Devs are very protective of their pets. If the pets can get stuck and killed in a way they did not intend, hello Creature Warping. And nobody wants that.

Fighting any animal without him being able to hit you is an exploit, it is laming, i dont think its that bad cus you did it on accident and he got stuck on its own, if you try it again you could get in trouble, Its a defined exploit.

Hmm IceNine777 reading that plain, I hereby accuse you, me and every rifleman with concealshot1 of exploiting and being lame