Rifleman Archive
Thread: Klawegna Attention, Rifle Exploit?
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Magnusocc
Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:33 pm
#1
Klawlegna
Hello,
No Flame intended here, need understanding.
Our group of 5 or more can bring a Krayt down to say 10,000 points of ham. A Rifleman with a T21 will come and fire off several shots at the end and recieve looting rights. The same goes for any major loot opportunity. I myself had Nyax down to about 2000 ham from 60,000, a rifleman with a T21 came and fired several shots at the end and recieved looting rights.
Please don't overlook this next statment.
DOTs were reduced for "the prevention of soloing high end content"
I have watched the same two riflemen solo a Krayt over and over and over again on the radiant server. In fact it is to the point that whenever a Krayt has spawned, one or both of these twoare present and always gain looting rights no matter how large our group number is. It does not matter who the present parties in our group are, Comando, TKA, etc. These two riflemen, whether solo or together,will ALWAYS gain looting rights with a minimal amount of shots fired against our group, even when largely outnumbered. The Riflemen always use the same shot and always win.
We HIGHLY suspect an Exploit in this matter. Even if for some reason there is in fact no exploit, then the rifleman is required a nerf for the same reasons the Devs chose to Nerf DOTs, "for the prevention od soloing High end content"
Thank You,
Magnusocc
KardenTyrell
Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:42 pm
#2
Even if for some reason there is in fact no exploit, then the rifleman is required a nerf for the same reasons the Devs chose to Nerf DOTs, "for the prevention od soloing High end content"
Its worth to be checked out but this statement should not be applied, the fact is those rifleman DID NOT solo high end content..your group basicly tanked for him.
DomMantell
Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:57 pm
#3
I'm pretty sure that there's a bug around that's most apparent with the high end content.
Basically, instead of permissions being given to there person/group that does the most total damage to a mob i.e. causing 350k damage to a Krayt, the permissions seem to be going to the person/group who does the most damage from 1 attack.
Whilst I cannot guarantee that this is in fact the case, it would definately explain a number of cases that I have personally experienced where permissions have been given to the wrong person/group.
If this is the case, a commando using a heavy particle beam cannon or rocket launcher should be able to secure permissions for your group.
This isn't a rifleman issue, it should really be brought up on the Core Systems forum for discussion.
Basically, instead of permissions being given to there person/group that does the most total damage to a mob i.e. causing 350k damage to a Krayt, the permissions seem to be going to the person/group who does the most damage from 1 attack.
Whilst I cannot guarantee that this is in fact the case, it would definately explain a number of cases that I have personally experienced where permissions have been given to the wrong person/group.
If this is the case, a commando using a heavy particle beam cannon or rocket launcher should be able to secure permissions for your group.
This isn't a rifleman issue, it should really be brought up on the Core Systems forum for discussion.
Magnusocc
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:03 pm
#4
Let me clarify, I personally have watchedeach of thesetwo Riflemen solo these Krayts.
We stopped Fighting and watched them do it.
I have come to gravyard and watched just one of them solo the krayt.
NEVERTHELESS
There is something wrong, when only 10,000 ham remain ona Krayt and the rifleman gains looting rights with our group still engauged. Same goes for the Nyax example.
Magnusocc
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:05 pm
#5
perhaps this is the wrong forum, I however have only seen this happen on mobs with a rifleman equiped witha T21 and uses a particular shot.
DomMantell
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:20 pm
#6
Its the heavy armor piercing that the T21 has. It allows us to actually damage Krayts. If you were grouped with a commando, were they using a flamethrower? Since they have no armor piercing they deal a lot less damage to a creture like a Krayt dragon than any weapon the heavy armor piercing.
Both the heavy particle beam cannon and the rocket launcher are hevy armor piercing and should allow a commado to deal a lot more damage than any (non uber loot) T21
Both the heavy particle beam cannon and the rocket launcher are hevy armor piercing and should allow a commado to deal a lot more damage than any (non uber loot) T21
Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:21 pm
#7
DomMantell wrote:
I'm pretty sure that there's a bug around that's most apparent with the high end content.
Basically, instead of permissions being given to there person/group that does the most total damage to a mob i.e. causing 350k damage to a Krayt, the permissions seem to be going to the person/group who does the most damage from 1 attack.
-Snip-
There could be a bug but I don't think the above is entirely true.. Myself and a couple of guildies were battling a Krayt last weekend and a Commando happened along and started to attack as well.. He was doing over 3k+per hit withI thinka Flame Thrower whereas I wasn't doing quite as much damage with my T21+Strafe2 on a hit for hit basis.. Admittedly my T21 isn't an Uber spec'd one. We got looting rights on the Krayt even though the Commando was hitting for more damage in 1 attack than myself. As far as DPS goes though I do believe we were doing more damage overall.
I have been a party to a Squad Leader bug on several occasions though, where if we had a Sqaud Leader leading the group on hunts we wouldn't have permission to access any corpse.. even ones I solo'd. I don't know if this bug's been fixed but I wont group with a Squad Leader because of it. If there was a SL inthe groupit might havebeen this particular bug. It really sucks when you spend a while killing off High End content and then can't access the corpse.. heh
Magnusocc
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:26 pm
#8
again, then please explain how the dragon has 10,000 or less ham remaining out of 500,000 and the rifleman did more damage.
Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:34 pm
#9
Magnusocc wrote:
again, then please explain how the dragon has 10,000 or less ham remaining out of 500,000 and the rifleman did more damage.
Was there a Squad Leader in your Group?
Was the Rifleman 64m away on the other side of the Krayt outside your Radar Range and hitting the Krayt from the get go?
How do you know the Rifleman got looting rights? did you ask him and did he say yes?
If the Krayt had 10,000 HAM left and the Rifleman stepped in at the end of the fight and got loot rights it has to be a bug unless they have suddenly changed the loot permissions code from - Greatest Overall damage dealtgiving loot rights to Highest Damage Shot giving looting rights... Or even God Forbid Killing blow gets looting rights.
ipp350
Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:13 pm
#10
I've heard looting is still bugged. Loot rights go to the person that did the most damage, it doesn't take group damage into account yet. A group of mine lost rights to an individual rifleman one night on multiple krayts. We did more damage as a group but she was just able to dish out more then any individual in our group. That'll put ya in an ugly mood when you realize you're just being used as a meat shield 
I heard she outdamaged another group of strong profs. Just was able to dish it out faster then any individual in their group also. Thank God I finally gotmaster riflemanlast weekand we have heavy armor piercing 
I heard she outdamaged another group of strong profs. Just was able to dish it out faster then any individual in their group also. Thank God I finally gotmaster riflemanlast weekand we have heavy armor piercing
ccmetal555
Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:07 pm
#11
Just saw this thread linked to. On Kauri the same thing happened. There was a solo Rifleman that I sort of knew and I was talking to him while we were both at the Graveyard. A group of about 20 people killed a Krayt there and I said why are you out here soloing, no way you could outdamage a group and he said "Don't worry I have magic =)." Or something to that effect. He didn't get the loot permission for the dragon, but it seems like he knew some trick to get it. He was also a CM.
Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:16 pm
#12
ccmetal555 wrote:
Just saw this thread linked to. On Kauri the same thing happened. There was a solo Rifleman that I sort of knew and I was talking to him while we were both at the Graveyard. A group of about 20 people killed a Krayt there and I said why are you out here soloing, no way you could outdamage a group and he said "Don't worry I have magic =)." Or something to that effect. He didn't get the loot permission for the dragon, but it seems like he knew some trick to get it. He was also a CM.
That's not good.. I simply couldn't do that with a clear concience, though you cant put the blame entirely on him.. its the way the loot rights have been coded and they should be changed. The fact that now you at least get a display on what it is members of your group looted is a big step in the right direction.
Barb-Wire
Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:06 pm
#13
i would take issue...
two people are not soloing....
any two other combat classes can do the same thing. the normal canyon krayts are not difficult if your a well oiled killing machine and you have your tactics and cooporation down.
for example i can kill an enraged rancor solo no buffs with a CDEF rifle and no armour. i have seen the same enraged rancor kill entire hunting parties of 10+ individuals....
just because one side sucks or has bad tactics and strategy doesnt mean the ones taht are winning are cheating.
as for the looting there is a looting bug that grants rights to whomever lands the DB. that is not a rifle issue it applies if a raw noob dancer came up and got the DB using a punch with a fist.
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