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Thread: Klawegna Attention, Rifle Exploit?

Magnusocc
Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:41 pm
#14

please READ


There are two, I have watched BOTH ....."S.O.L.O" as in do it alone, only one, uno, no help from anyone else.


No he did not shoot at 64 meters

No he did not shoot from the "git go"

No there was no Squad Leader (shouldnt matter in these instances)

Again this is not Krayt specific but rifleman T21 with special specific.
Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:01 pm
#15

I think Barb has answered your looting question with this:


as for the looting there is a looting bug that grants rights to whomever lands the DB. that is not a rifle issue it applies if a raw noob dancer came up and got the DB using a punch with a fist.



I've never been able to solo a fully grown Krayt without dying, my conceal shot always lands a bleed on it or it despawns long before I can kill it. The Juveniles on the other hand only have 40-45k HAM and much lower resistances, a hell of a lot less in comparison to the Canyon or Ancients. These are soloable, especially armored and buffed.. Heck I've seen a Master Heavy Swordsman fully buffed with a high Damage Powerhammer and Uber Kinetic resist composite solo a Canyon Krayt. He was a Master Doc as well btw. Not bagging anyone.. just saying Rifleman aren't the only ones who can solo this type of MOB, though it takes a bit more than Just Master Rifle to do so. Master CH / Master Rifle with a super Bio Pet could do it much better and faster than just a Master Rifleman. Equipment goes a long longway, as does the right combinationBuffs/Food/Spice.


So, I'm not too sure, but is your Gripe with us because of a couple of instances where a coding problem stopped you from getting looting rights ( This has happened to me also on many occasions ), or are you complaining becausea well craftedT21 in the hands of a very well prepared and skilledMaster Riflemancan kill a Krayt with patience and discipline?



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Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:04 pm
#16






LLJK_Griz wrote:






Onichi wrote:


There could be a bug but I don't think the above is entirely true.. Myself and a couple of guildies were battling a Krayt last weekend and a Commando happened along and started to attack as well.. He was doing over 3k+per hit withI thinka Flame Thrower whereas I wasn't doing quite as much damage with my T21+Strafe2 on a hit for hit basis..



Combat spam does not account for damage reduction from armor and resists. The commando's 3k is being reduced by 87.5% (no AP weapon vs heavy armor) then further reduced by 60% heat resist for a total of 5%actual damagewhereas T21 or heavy particle beam cannon is only reduced by 60% energy resist.





I saw the Floaty damage above the Dragon amidst my own damage.. I was too busy trying to stay alive and keep out of the range of the Krayt to take screenshots unfortunately and also wasnt really paying attention to what weapon he was using.. but it was something very nice.



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hampton_hamster
Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:30 pm
#17


ok i think it was a bugg that happened to your group . its not to hard for 2 mrifles to out dmg a small group i do it all the time any place with a high lvl/good loot dropping npc


but i m stil curiouse if the harvester thing is a exploit or not. i came accros a commando doing it AFK looping flame single 2 so i just out dmged him with strafe 2 from 54m,my ideal range, and a 759 max t21. i get have a ranger budy and track krayts then let other poeple find them and out dmg them with the same t21. it was original made at 424 max with the barrels/power handlers made on the day of the crafting nerf which turned out to be better on my server. its all about heavy ap and them tanking for me. but i see -1k over the krayts head with strafe 2. no sploitng for me but if that krayt harv thing isnt an exploit then i dont know waht is


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Onichi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:37 pm
#18

Yeah getting a Krayt stuck on a Harvester seems to be considered an exploit.. I know of at least one person who got busted and banned for it. I remember reading a thread on it somwhere.



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LLJK_Griz
Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:29 pm
#19








Onichi wrote:


I saw the Floaty damage above the Dragon amidst my own damage.. I was too busy trying to stay alive and keep out of the range of the Krayt to take screenshots unfortunately and also wasnt really paying attention to what weapon he was using.. but it was something very nice.





There's no way a flamethrower could do 3k damage to a krayt unless their specials are bugged and aren't being reduced by armor and resists.



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Dandain
Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:24 am
#20






hampton_hamster wrote:


ok i think it was a bugg that happened to your group . its not to hard for 2 mrifles to out dmg a small group i do it all the time any place with a high lvl/good loot dropping npc


but i m stil curiouse if the harvester thing is a exploit or not. i came accros a commando doing it AFK looping flame single 2 so i just out dmged him with strafe 2 from 54m,my ideal range, and a 759 max t21. i get have a ranger budy and track krayts then let other poeple find them and out dmg them with the same t21. it was original made at 424 max with the barrels/power handlers made on the day of the crafting nerf which turned out to be better on my server. its all about heavy ap and them tanking for me. but i see -1k over the krayts head with strafe 2. no sploitng for me but if that krayt harv thing isnt an exploit then i dont know waht is



Message Edited by hampton_hamster on 03-23-2004 09:31 PM






In one breath you condemn exploiting, yet you openly admit that you killsteal all that you can. =(





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Onichi
Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:45 pm
#21






LLJK_Griz wrote:








Onichi wrote:


I saw the Floaty damage above the Dragon amidst my own damage.. I was too busy trying to stay alive and keep out of the range of the Krayt to take screenshots unfortunately and also wasnt really paying attention to what weapon he was using.. but it was something very nice.






There's no way a flamethrower could do 3k damage to a krayt unless their specials are bugged and aren't being reduced by armor and resists.




I'll have to take your word for it but I did say I didn't take note of what weapon the guy was using.. all I know is he was doing more damage with it than I was on a Blow for Blow basis.. that's all I was trying to say.




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Official Rifleman's Motto: Of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most.
"If you can see it without a scope, it aint Sniping"
OditeFosore
Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:13 pm
#22

There's another way that these riflemen could have done more damage. Bleed damage does not count towards looting rights. If your group was relying on Flame Cone, the majority of your damage is coming from a bleed, which does nothing for your looting rights. So, you brought the HAM of a 300k HAM krayt down to 75k by doing an accumulated 25k counted dmg and these riflemen came along and did 50k plus counted HAM damage and got looting rights. It's possible, and I've seen similar scenarios happen.


I have also wondered about about Barb's scenario, where doing the final blow causes you to get looting rights, as I've done what looked like less dmg than a kill-stealing group and still gotten looting rights and wondered if something like that may have been possible. Is there by chance a dev bug logged against that that anyone has found? I'd be interested in reading the specific reference.


It's too bad the graveyard has all these problems. The old, let others have their kill, or ask to be invited if a group is already working on a dragon seems to be going to the wayside and the outdamage others at all costs and steal their kill attitude is replacing it. It sure doesn't breed friendliness or good blood. I hope that an EQ-like kill-stealing rule of some kind is put into effect. There are non-stop fights, arguments, and flames on our boards due to frustrations stemming from the graveyard. Everyone gets worked up over it and no new friends are made.


Cheers,


- Odite Fosore



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Dandain
Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:11 pm
#23


It's too bad the graveyard has all these problems. The old, let others have their kill, or ask to be invited if a group is already working on a dragon seems to be going to the wayside and the outdamage others at all costs and steal their kill attitude is replacing it. It sure doesn't breed friendliness or good blood. I hope that an EQ-like kill-stealing rule of some kind is put into effect. There are non-stop fights, arguments, and flames on our boards due to frustrations stemming from the graveyard. Everyone gets worked up over it and no new friends are made.


/salute


Thats how I am, and it is nice to meet another like that. Common curtosy goes a long way. Too bad most people have the attitude like Barb.



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e-coli
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:22 pm
#24

i have done this personally, not on purpose of course. one day in the graveyard i was wandering around(bored) and i stumbled on a group of about seven engaged with the krayt. i figured what the heck i,ll help them out. i ate a muon and spamed advanced strafe (with T-21) and when it was over i got harvesting and loot and the group got nothing. at the time i thought i might have actually outdamaged them but mabye something else is going on.




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LLJK_Griz
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:34 pm
#25






OditeFosore wrote:

There's another way that these riflemen could have done more damage. Bleed damage does not count towards looting rights. If your group was relying on Flame Cone, the majority of your damage is coming from a bleed, which does nothing for your looting rights. So, you brought the HAM of a 300k HAM krayt down to 75k by doing an accumulated 25k counted dmg and these riflemen came along and did 50k plus counted HAM damage and got looting rights. It's possible, and I've seen similar scenarios happen.






Fire DOT is weak now, spamming flamecone would do more damage from the actual hits instead of bleed unless they're firing once and letting it burn for like half an hour.


Commando could probably do 3k damage using HPBCs.



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Leadhead101
Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:47 am
#26


We HIGHLY suspect an Exploit in this matter. Even if for some reason there is in fact no exploit, then the rifleman is required a nerf for the same reasons the Devs chose to Nerf DOTs, "for the prevention od soloing High end content"


Oh man, everytime I start a new profession and get jazzed about how cool it is someone always does this!



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