Rifleman Archive

I have seen you bitching all around on the forum crying for an unjustified commando nerf only due to the reason that once upon a time several commandos (pre nerf) complained that a T21 had AP3 and the commando weapons not. They did not want the T21 nerfed, they simply wanted to have AP on their own weapons as well.

Now you started a campaign of half-truths and outright lies. You permanently and continually ignore facts or reasons. You actively try to deceive the community and you plant deceit and anger in those not willing to read up things on their own.

You are a rifleman and you know as well as i do, that riflemen are in every aspect at least equal to the damage output of a commando. I am travelling with riflemen on a daily basis and the damage they deal surpasses mine by a great amount. But am i crying for a rifleman nerf? NO! If you are a halfway decen minded rifleman, you use a DLT20a or an E11 rifle, Krfayt enhanced, damage slice by a master smuggler (avg. 35% slice) and you will deal far more damage than i do as a master commando, with barely noticeable effects on your HAM pools.

You know that, i know that and every master Rifleman knows that. Don't make yourself look like a fool in denying that!

So, as a final note, i ask you to stop your campaing against the commando wich was born ot of unjustified anger and personal emotion. Feel free to post constructive criticism, but in every aspect of the commando profession you have lost your right for criticism, as you are most obviously biased.

Dogg

In PvE we do very well, its in PvP where the commanods eat us alive now if your gonna come to our board and start crap with one of our rifleman you had better have a better reason than saying rifleman do good damage against animal when hunting in groups. I was all for the un-nerf of commandos ...but, I think your damage either needs to be switched to something other than melee or God forgive me for saying this... something needs to be done about the melee penalty, although before evveryone jumps on me I know where that would lead to... so Yeah anyway... the melee damage from Commandos needs to change.

If you need proof that a Rifleman doesnt do as much damage as a commando I can provide you samples of flamethrowers hitting over 10k all day.

One more thing If you wana Attack one of your members on your boards Go right ahead but please dont come into the riflemans abode and talk smack.

Teflon_ak wrote:

In PvE we do very well, its in PvP where the commanods eat us alive now if your gonna come to our board and start crap with one of our rifleman you had better have a better reason than saying rifleman do good damage against animal when hunting in groups. I was all for the un-nerf of commandos ...but, I think your damage either needs to be switched to something other than melee or God forgive me for saying this... something needs to be done about the melee penalty, although before evveryone jumps on me I know where that would lead to... so Yeah anyway... the melee damage from Commandos needs to change.

If you need proof that a Rifleman doesnt do as much damage as a commando I can provide you samples of flamethrowers hitting over 10k all day.

One more thing If you wana Attack one of your members on your boards Go right ahead but please dont come into the riflemans abode and talk smack.

You fell victim to misconception and the half-truth campaign of zarl0k. But asnit is your right to oppse me, i will make use of my right to defend my position:

Commandos hitting for 10+K hit a target equipping a rifle. As there is a bug with all heavy weapons (not only the flamethrower) Riflemen receive 2.5 times normal damage from a Heavy weapon. Therefore 5K damage easily add up to 10+K damage. This is a bug and if you would take the time to read the commando forum you would be aware that commandos want this bug to be addressed as we see it unfair for players in the riflemen profession. This not only a problem with commando weapons, but (as already outlined) all heavy weapons, including the LLC.

A normal attack will hit for 9K max. This is the highest end atttack we canmake use of and is within 16m only. we have a reciycle time of 11 seconds with a weapon that is able to deal that amount of damage (as a master commando). Simply numbers crunching will show, that you as a rifleman can deal out comparable damage in the same time.

As for your comment about attacking one of your riflemen: It was zarl0k that came into "our" aode and started this "smack talk". But other than me he shows no sign of reasonable discussion but only outright flaming. His behaviour is rude and immature.

There is not much you can do in PvP, as riflemen need to stay still to be able to hit and are therfore a viable target for everything that needs to be close. Our melee combatants would eat you alive as well,as a TKA can deal 1.200+ dmg in PvP on a rifleman in a single hit. Also a swordsman would deal enough damage to incap you i one hit. It is the weakness of the Riflemen against melee attacks (a weakness i personally do not understand) that makes you easy targets in PvP. Given only one Bodyguard, riflemen can be monsters in PvP. All they have to do is keep enemy at bay for about seconds max, as you need no more than 3 hits to incap a player in advanced composite (our riflemen do this daily). But as i told already in numerous other posts:

If younlose track of enemies in PvP, it is your own fault if you die. Simply shoot the commando before he reaches you. He will go down in seconds, believe me.

Silver Lobo:

Thanx, finally the first sign of understanding

Dogg

I have yet to see an inter. rifleman let alone a master use an E11 or dlt20a......maybe your on a server that doesnt have laser rifles or T21s but whatever......and commandos can hit rifleman for 3K+ PvP and can hit 10K+ PvE while a rifleman is doin atleast 2k less damage on both sides of PvX.......facts before fiction.

may the force be with you

gargangargantua wrote:

I have yet to see an inter. rifleman let alone a master use an E11 or dlt20a......maybe your on a server that doesnt have laser rifles or T21s but whatever......and commandos can hit rifleman for 3K+ PvP and can hit 10K+ PvE while a rifleman is doin atleast 2k less damage on both sides of PvX.......facts before fiction.

may the force be with you

This amount of damage is only possible due to a bug and should therefore not be accounted for in a balance discussion. Everyone agrees, that bugs need to be fixed. There is no point in discussing about it.

As for the rifles on my server: We have kickass T21s and laser Rifles, but for all of the riflemen i know there are only 3 main rifles to use:

T21, Laser Rifle and DLT20a.

Why you may ask, and i shall give you the answer:

all of those three weapons have advantags and disadvantages and i will list them here:

T21:

Adv: Extremely high damage output, good range modifiers, AP3

Drawbacks: very high impact on the mind pool,

Laser Rifle:

Adv: High damage output, AP2

Drawbacks: high overall HAM costs

DLT20A:

Adv: Almost imperceivable impact on the HAM pools, very good range modifiers

Drawbacks: Only moderate damage output, AP0,

Taking all this into account in a PvP envirmoent it is most obvious, that DLT20a is the rifle of choice, otherwise you are easy targets for bounty hunters or other riflemen. If you are on the Naritus server, i can gladly arrange for a tryout

And for your final note: ".......facts before fiction" Facts, yes, misleading sidenotes, no. You know that the increased damage is caused by a bug. hence you may not use it in a balance discussion. Bugs are bugs, but we do not talk about bugs here, but outright neref cries. That is a whole different level.

Dogg

Umm I don't know what your friends mind stats are, but for me NO rifle, not even a CDEF has "Almost imperceivable impact on the HAM pools". The laser rifle has very nasty HAM costs and is not as accurate as *I* think it should be at long range. The T21 from what I've heard is worse on both counts.

Don't get me wrong, rifleman damage is very nice, but it'svery short lived without using spices.

They should just fix the heavy weapons counting as melee damage already, I don't know what the fuss is about apart from that bug.

Seflyn:

Your voice in heaven's ear!

As for the impact on mind pools:

Beeing a Zabrak, a DLT20a IS imperceivable . But even as a wookiee the low-end rifles are a great alternative to high end weaponry like the T21. Just try for yourself and you will see Trust me.

Simply max out willpower and Focus and you will have tons of fun with a DLT20a

Dogg

The only beef I have had with commando damage is the fact that it hits as melee when it should in fact be ranged.... As for the rest, I've worked with commandos, fought against several,and also seen their accuracy logs from beyond a 40m distance. Wow, talk about kiting material

I can only speak for myself when I say, I hope the devs never consider nerfing your class, or any of your weapons. You guys had towalk a long way through the valley of Suck toget where you are today......

Good luck.

lol, sorry to drag it back here

I only wondered where i could find him and thought the riflemen board would be a good idea

Dogg

How amusing that a post petitioning for a more conciliatory attitude would have such a rude and offensive title. Which is more of a personal attack than I recall Zarl0k having headlined every one of his threads with.

Furthermore, Zarl0k has discussed Commando weapons only exclusively insofar as they demonstrate that the T21 needs love. In response, the Commando community, contrary to your ill-informed suppositions, have protested that the T21 is in need of no improvement. Ivoni even had the daring to claim that Commandoes cannot do more than 3000 damage to a non-Rifle or Carbine wielding NPC. Which is utterly hilarious.

And your response would seem to be an attack on the very advocate for our class's improvement . . . you side with those who would continue to see us languish in the dirt. And you would make the unbelievably assinine claim that Rifleman can do more damage with an E11 than a Master Commando can do with any of his weapons. You are either an imbecile of unparalleled proportions or a liar. I mean, I'm utterly aghast at that. I've seen Commandoes hit non-Rifle/Carbine wielding NPC's for damage in excess of 10K; while unarmed, I have been hit in P v P by Novice Commandoes using Flame Single I for 1500 damage; and you think a Rifleman can exceed that with a DLT20/E11? That is ludicrous beyond the bounds of the moronic. It is just criminally stupid.

And your claim is that, despite the DLT20's uberness, it is a sign of high-mindedness that Commandoes do not whine for a nerf . . . nerfing a weapon that does damage on par with a FWG5, compared to Commandoes hitting for five figures . . . hahahahahahahah.

Gods, what an idiot.