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Thread: Rifleman rock, just gotta use em right!
Now in teh field ya teh rifleman has a hard tiem doin things by themselves but i've found with a non ch pet you can hit a lot of things pretty hard if you just do things right. and also teh conceal shot while under cover works great, you can kill a fambaa without it even knowing, and bolle' bols as well or your planetary equivelent. So its' not a matter of brute force my friends, its'a matter of stickin a max damage powerup on your t- 21 and doin a little belly crawling. If its' worked for me and my rifleman friend for many months i'm sure it could work for you. But i agree, there are some problems with the prof. but if you can get around them now imagine how good you'll be when they are fixed or at least improved.
Wiwab McBandit
Master Doc/Rifleman
Sunrunner
Im a master and untill you get there you will not get your own kills in PvP.
The thing is at that the people your killing at that point are relative noobs. Also, a master pistoleer and carbineer will slaughter us although were all masters.
We suck at Pvp admit it we dont do enough damage to be effective.
"i mean in teh history of time there were never duelin rifles"
Ummmm I guess you don't know history very well. There is Carlos Hathcock in vietnam who dueled a viet cong sniper who was sent down by the vietnamese to specifically eliminate him because he was so effective. Hathcock has the most confirmed kills of any soldier in Vietnam. He single handedly pinned down and held an entire regiment of Vietnamese in check with his 50 cal and the assistance of some Artillery launched star shells. He held them there for over 18 hours.
Then there is the story of the German and Russian duel in the battle of Stalingrad. It was recently made into a movie called Enemy at the gates. The Movie has added a bit of fluff to the story but the gist of it is there.
A well trained and well equiped sniper is a very capable and lethal weapon. Snipers can destroy moral of entire divisions and cast fear and apprehension in each and every individual soldier, who start to expect death at every turn. They can destroy the will of the enemy to fight. Snipers are some of the only soldiers who have bounties put on them by the enemy. Carlos had a $50,000 bounty on him by the Vietnamese.
To say we are only a support role and to further say there have never been duels is to simply not know the history of snipers. We are feared, and we are effective in the real world. Then again in the real world we can drop any target we choose at close to a mile. In Star Wars we can only shoot something at 64 meters wound it before we get obliterated by their 1 handed punch.
There is plenty of Historical material on Snipers. Before you go spouting off about snipers in the history of the world I suggest you read up on it some.
I've been trying to tell them, but they don't listen. Thanks for the help though.
Yeah, really, what's this guy smoking? Rifles are not a support role. Hello, American Revolution? Civil War? World War I? World War II? Vietnam? Korea? Iraq? Afghanistan? Do any of these ring a bell? The typical soldier's weapon is not considered to be a carbine, it's considered to be an "assault rifle", although in the time of the American Revolution is was just a regular old single shot rifle and that's what everyone carried.
The rifle isn't a support weapon, the pistol is a support weapon. You use it when your rifle runs out of ammo.
There is no basis in reality to suggest that the rifle should be anything other than the primary weapon used in battles.
He must have been hanging around the pistoleerandbhforum to long and they brainwashed him We need to de-program him friends.
Just because the BH's and pistoleer tell you we are a support class, DO not believe them, they do not have your best intrest at heart. Come back to the warm and friendly Rifleman forum, we are your friends. Not the vile and evil BH/pistoleer dabblers.
It all depends of definition of "support." In the military, a support weapon is anything that helps take out the enemy, other than a basic weapon. Meaning, just about anything other than a rifle.
I wouldn't even call a pistol a support weapon. A light machine guns is a support weapon. A mortar is a support weapon. Grenade launcher is a support weapon. A pistol is what you use in extremely short quarters or when you have no ammo left for your rifle.
However, to be successful you need a mass of rifles "Supporting" each other. A lone rifleman is a dead rifleman. A squad of riflemen supported with some additional weapons are the core fighting element.
So, you are both right. Go solo in PVP with a rifle, you won't do well. Have a bunch of riflemen coordinating actions, and supporting each other you will be a serious test of the attackers skill.
I'm not trying to force reality into the game. I'm just trying to illustrate how both you and "them" can be both right about the same issue.
They are using "support" in one way, and you the other.
Still doesn't change the fact that the more people you have around you the more likely you are to land those devastating rifle hits.
actually, most of you have misconception about the term 'rifle'.
Sincethe early napoleonic wars,the main 'common soldier' weapon was NOT a rifle. It was a Musket.
The term 'rifle' comes from the 'rifling' in the barrel.. aka the twisting grooves that make the projectile spin as it exits the barrel, increasing the effectiveness, range and accuracy of the bullet.
Muskets were smooth-bore barrels, thus their range waslimited and accuracy was not very good. That's why muskets used much larger caliber 'ball' as ammunition.. they needed it to hitsomething.
In the time of the revolutionary war,Rifles began to appear. Firing small caliber (small compared to the musket's ball ammo) and having much longer range and accuracy, it was sneered as a coward's weapon because it could kill from too long a range. American patriots had small groups ofriflementhat would harrass and drop british soldiers before theywere in musket range and retreat. It was not common tofindriflemen purposely targetting officers or high rankers, as in those times the officers generally lead from the rear, high rankers had large numbers of escorts. Riflemen 'snipers' were usually harrasment troops used during battles where musket soldiers faced each other. Civil War saw a bit more widespread useof rifled 'rifles' but the main weapon was still a smooth-bore gun, a musket.
By the time of the SpanishAmerican War and WW1, the rifled weapons hadbecome the norm, mainly due to the introduction of the cartridge(no more pumping the powder into thegun) andbecause of thechange of tactics that switched fromformations of men shooting each other allnicely lined up to more modern take-cover-and-assault tactics. In this enviroment the accuracy and range became paramount.
In WW2 the rifle was still the commonsoldier's weapon. Butby the end of the war the Germans had developed the Assault Rifle. The Assault Rifle was very different from the normalrifle. For you see,theBritishLee Enfield Rifle, the US M1 GarandRifle and the GermanKarabinerRifle had a range ofover 2 kilometers..with a rather high degree of accuracy. The limit to that accuracy was thesoldier.. mostsoldiers couldnt see or spot anything past 800 yards.. and even trained marksmen with scopes could not steady the gun, aim, shoot, and hit a target past1500 yards.
The Germans made the changes in the assault rifle taking this into account. They lowered the power of the cartridge, thus lowering the range of the weapon to an effective 600 yards or so. They made the gun be semi auto or full auto, increasing the soldier's firepower. The barrel was shortened, since accuracy at long ranges was not of importance when youcould fire several rounds at a location, thus having a high chance of a hit instead of relying on a single shot, however well aimed.
Today's military weaponscarriedby combat troops are ASSAULT rifles. All follow the same principle of the WW2 GermanAssault Rifle. a TRUE Rifle however, remained in the hands of the SUPPORT troops:Marksmen, Snipers, you call them what you want. These troops, with serious lack of firepower compared to those carrying an assaultrifle, are back to the old Rev. War. ideal : I have more range than they do. So today you find these guys lugging high powered rifles, .50 cal rifles and the like. At range they are verypowerful, but they can only take out 1 target at a time. Get inside their range, and they are in trouble, for inside those 800 yards or so, they can only fire 1 bullet and their opponents can spray 1000 bulletsback at him.
In SWG the Rifleman class is the support class that a modern and yonder day Rifleman were: ranged only fighters.
Dontconfuse them with any other.