Rifleman Archive
Thread: If were not the king of range wth are we.
anyways I wanted to add that I'll grant pistoleer is more versatile than rifleman, but it in no way outdamages rifleman. IN NO WAY AT ALL.
but hey, to do well as a rifleman you have to be between 40 and 60 meters from your target and you can't be moving, whereas with a pistoleer you can be standing pretty much anywhere and you can be running around, and you'll still be hitting your target just fine (by the time I finished the pistol marksmanship tree I stoped worrying about distance and posture, because I almost never miss, no matter what I'm doing)
in PvP a rifleman pretty much has to get the drop on their opponent to win, it's true, because any commando or pistoleer or bountyhunter who sees a rifleman and decides to kill them will imediately (if they have any brains) burst run up to point blank and proceed to tear the rifleman a new one. but of course if the rifleman gets the drop on them, it's a different story. just the other night I was in bestine, spotted and overt rebel master bounty hunter sporting an LLC in his hands. I droped prone at 60m and proceded to kill him in two headshot2s. he never got within range to use his LLC, and he died like a little bitch.
bounty hunters and commandos can do awesome damage if they can get close, but they have to get close. now bounty pistol (and to some extent bounty carbine) are a little different, because they can do awesome damage without getting close, and that's kind of anoying.
The damage doesn't bother me, although it's right up there with a some of the best t21's, but combined with the the speed and distance it does.
When I fist got this game I was looking at the professions and I wanted to be a rifleman and a droid engineer. Unfortunately I followed my passions
If A hand gun can hit at range over and over again at that speed, what the hell are we doing with 5.5 and 7.1 speed rifles. At a distance the rifle should be the fastest weapon, close up the handgun. Only heroes in bad action movies hit moving targets like that with handguns.
So as 4004 rifleman not only do I have to put up with 2.5x melee damage, all the warping problems in PvE, and the absurd mana drain, but I also got to put up with instant deaths by any 0030 pistoler or master BH at 64 meters. I can take getting owned if I make a bad tactical decision like getting close in with a melee character or someone using a hand gun. But getting owned over and over again because I choose to be a rifleman....
I swear, combat in this game makes Picket's Charge look like a brilliant maneuver. Nothing is more tactically sound than charging a rifleman with a hand gun while he's got you in his sights. By the time there done with this game epic wars will be fought with mighty armies on horse back wielding swords, sticks, hand guns and tigers. But a rifle, no that has no place in combat, in fact it's useless and the armies of this world are complete idiots for issuing one to every soldier.
I don't need to be the king of PvP or PvE, but I would like to be able to hold my own at range.
Dead Rifleman,
ObiQuixote
SilverLobo wrote:
blah blah blah blah. Same whine just a diffrent day.
Translation: Blah, blah, blah. Screw you all, I am a master.
Thanks for your constructive input, we needed that.
first of all, no class, no matter what they are or what insane speed bonuses they have can fire a weapon more than once in a second, the devs hard-coded a min 1 second fire delay into the game.
second, none of you seem to understand the difference between weapon DPS (novice marksman's use DPS) and ACTUAL DPS accounting for speed bonuses. a master rifleman can spam headshot3s on his t21 or laser rifle at 1 second delay, that's WAY, WAY higher DPS than ANY pistoleer with ANY pistol.
third, stopping shot damage. I'm a rifleman, but I'm also a pistoleer. I have a krayt tissue fwg5 which is pretty much the best you can get, and in pve stopping shot MAX hits for 1400 or 1500 and usualy a lot less because of the wide damage range on the FWG5. that translates to a max of 375 pvp damage, assuming perfect speed and always scoring perfect shots (like that ever happens) that's 375 damage per second in pvp TO RANDOM HAM. now lets look at a master rifleman using a good (not krayt just good) laser rifle which gets say max headshots of 3000 in pve, that translates to 750 damage in pvp, and a master rifleman CAN STILL SPAM THESE AT 1 PER SECOND, so the rifleman is doing 750 damage per second to a SINGLE POOL while the pistoleer is doing 375 damage per second to RANDOM HAM.
I don't mind if you complain about bad accuracy, or having no ability to defend against being burst-run rushed, but for the love of god don't complain about doing less damage! it just makes you sound ignorant.
(yes I'm also a rifleman, yes I think there's a lot wrong with the class, but doing less damage than a pistoleer is MOST DEFINATELY not one of those things)
The guy didnt even know if the person he is complaining about was a Master or not, didnt even know if he was a hybrid BH/Pistoleer. Yes these posts by Novice Rifleman that have absolutely no clue do show up daily, and are getting old, real old. Do they show there is a problem? No, they show that games like this are littered with people that love to complain.