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Thread: Is T21 Really better than a higher dmg laser?

XaverriJade7
Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:05 pm
#1

Best rifle for Jedi is DXR-6b. The accuracy is what is most important here. The only gun better than a DXR-6b is a T-21, but I say the much higher accuracy outweighs the higher damage of a T-21. Versus unarmored opponents, you get 0 damage bonus. They aren't wearing armor, so the AP/AR calculations do not apply. That's what I thought anyways. I know we had a great thread on this a while back- I'll post the link when I find it


Edit: Our FAQ has some good stuff. I hope something in here answers your question






Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 08-03-2004 04:11 PM





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Co-valent
Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:26 pm
#2

Careful with Laser Rifles, they have a harsh Minimum Damage.


But I agree, the DXR-6b, preferably a Scoped, Stocked, Krayted one, is the best for Jedi.




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Fred_Skinner
Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:33 pm
#3






Rawauh wrote:

t21 - ap3 vs no armor = 75% hit bonus instead of 50%. i dont think i even own a laser rifle t21 is way better due to armor piercing and the much higher min dmg.




This is not true if the target has 0% resist to energy. The laser might edge out there. AP vs AR is egnored if the target is vunerable to the damage type. Counter intuitive yes, but sadly true.




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HarlequinMK19
Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:55 pm
#4

I'm not expert on the numbers and mathematical equations here, but I tend to side with the T21 over the Laser. The only way that I can see a Laser Rifle truly being better than a T21 is if you get a wicked damage slice and add a powerup to boost the minimum damage. Perhaps before Master Rifleman, the Laser may be the better weapon, because as a rule, they tend to shoot faster than the T21. But if you can speed cap your T21...the Laser really does not have much to offer...that's my opinion anyway. As for the stuff about the DXR-6b, I would have to agree with most of that as well.TheDisruptor seems to be the best all around PvP weapon if PSG's are involved.



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CrashNgoBoom
Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:45 pm
#5

But if it's not vulnerable, you get better then 75%. damage x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25= 95.3% bonus



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AldeonAvardulin
Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:49 pm
#6

Just so you know, block is different then ranged defense. You can have all the accuracy in the world but block will still block. Accuracy beats down ranged defense, wich Jedi have little of.


And a laser rifle sucks becuase of its min damage. Ranged mitigation tears it apart. Do to its low min damage, it brings the max damage WAY down.



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israiley
Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:25 pm
#7

do jedi have any mitigation tho?



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Bhaal_Darkov
Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:33 pm
#8






israiley wrote:

do jedi have any mitigation tho?






no



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Legion24
Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:46 am
#9

Got a question. Im currently trying to figure out the best rifle to do a mind shot on a Jedi. I have my laser rifle sliced which does more damage then my T21 sliced. I see the t21 has higher armor piercing but Jedi dont wear armor. I want to get the maximum power out of my rifle with pu and all. So which is better? T21 or Laser? Most lasers I see are higher dmg any way. I know Jedi block but the lower jedi miss a few giving me an oportunity to hit them 2-3 times b4 there in my face. Any thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated.
CarbineShiba
Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:50 am
#10

Shooting an unarmored target with a t21 gives a 75% damage bonus, laser gives a 50% bonus against an unarmored target, a good damage sliced powered up T21 is usually better.
Rawauh
Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:50 am
#11

t21 - ap3 vs no armor = 75% hit bonus instead of 50%. i dont think i even own a laser rifle t21 is way better due to armor piercing and the much higher min dmg.



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Logitition
Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:18 am
#12

it has to be the Dx6..


The negative acc curve on the T21 coupled with the fact that the AP does not work due to them being vuln to energy makes both the T21 and the Laser rifle a bad tool for the job. Couple into that the Ham costs and it is a bad deal all around.. for a Compo wearing blue collar temp.. maybe.. but that accuracy is a a bugger to get past..


My T21 is 5.6 182-447 but it is only accurate something like, +12@48m , +49@ 64m.. +0 is like a -120 or something... AP3 tho..


Now in pvp I dropped my jawa and the T21 for a krayt Dx6.. due to the fact that I fight alot of elite and they all have stun coverage of like 80-90% (PSG's do not protect against acid,blast, or kinetic..


My Dx6 is like 4.1 230-580 .. the big thing tho is.. it is +98@50m with a -60 or 70 at +0..


Accuracy falls in a curve. from 0m- 50m the points are spread out.. take the T21..


160 skill accuracy + lets say, the optimum range for the T21, 64m.. is like 210

U both running, minus 50 off of that,.. move in closer and this is what happens. that 160 of your accuracy has to compete with the curve of the t21 from 64m to 0.. since u are moving, 64m is at +0. all u can do is go negative.. from +0 to -120, at 0m.. u are at -120 running point blank


at 10m u are shooting with about 55-60ish accuracy.. about the same accuracy as a master marksman. Neither moving.. the +0 mark on that T21 is like 43-46m


The Dx6 has a better spread .. 50m @ lets say 100acc.. both running.. minuses the 50, leaves us at +50 still.. gives us our 210 acc like above (but after the movement calc takes place) the curvr is 50m to 0m at -70..


basically at about 28m is the +0 mark for the Dx6 u are at a -20@0m with the Dx6


That Krayt T21 has had it's accuracy boosted.. the Dxb is Krayt also but was lessened +20 accuracy to cut down on Ham.. (I own a +122@50m dx6 but it is normal and not Krayt)


These calcs do not contain the targets half of the equasion either.. it is just thrown out there as an illustration to the point..


I just recently got into a scrap with a target that had good armor and was using a T21.. I used my Disruptor.. we both would stop and fire to maximise our hits,,..

I would literally walk in to 35m to rob him of his accuracy.. he relised it way too late.. he tried to back up.. but I would wait for him to stop in his range and just waltz right back to 35m all the while hitting about 30% more than he could due to my accuracy..


Standing still at 50m I still get +10 on my rifle with the target on the move.. no way u are going to get that with a T21 unless u are 64m, kneeled and aiming..lol





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Ogge_the_Lizard
Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:57 am
#13

As soon as the creature has a resistance to energy... if it's vuln or doesn't even show energy the AP won't kick in...



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