Rifleman Archive
Thread: Is T21 Really better than a higher dmg laser?
Kachada
Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:06 am
#14
note: Armor Piercing Does Not work Against Unarmored Targets.
Doe it make sense? no. Also, DXR is the best for Jedi... Need the accuracy.
Doe it make sense? no. Also, DXR is the best for Jedi... Need the accuracy.
Legion24
Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:33 am
#15
Ive used both the t21 and dxr6 on jedi. Out of 3 jedi I have managed to kill 1 using the t21. I used the dxr6, which mine in particular isnt as powerful as my t21, and it didnt get through enough to count. The shots that did get through were around 340 cause of the rifles max dmg. Most jedi will block but you can catch them when they feel safe and when there mind is down. Thats when you go for there mind. You might get it all in 1 hit. My t21 actually got through enough and when it hit did 600+ damage to keep the jedi healing. Out of testing currently I find that the better is t21 because of damage output, I need the 1 shot first shot kill. If I find a powerful disrupter rifle on bloodfin maybe ill change my mind. On a side note... what is better for taking mind, head shot or mind shot? To me they both are the same.
Keeno_Kilimal
Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:40 am
#16
Headshot(1-3) reduces the Mind pool stats one shot at a time at different damage rates depending on the strength of the shot. Mindshot(1-2) reduces the Mind pool stats by using a bleed, which only needs to hit and stick once to your target. Once the bleed sticks to the target it will reduce the initial amount of damage from the target's Mind pool every few seconds until the bleed timer runs out. If you use Mindshot(1-2) along with Headshot(1-3) you will be able to take stronger targets out much faster and much more effectively.
Kachada
Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:43 am
#17
Mind shot is a bleed. It does some initial damamge on impact, then slowly ticks away more damage over time.
Head shot is a big bad blast to the mindpool. Massive damage.
DXR-6b does less damage, and is only AP2 (but again that doesn't matter when fighting an unarmored jedi) but the accuracy mods on it are glorious. Mine is +117 to hit from ideal range, and I don't even have a really great one. If you're fighting a novice Jedi that hasn't brought up his defensive abilities, then by all means use the T21, but against a defender, the DXR-6b may be your only hope.
Head shot is a big bad blast to the mindpool. Massive damage.
DXR-6b does less damage, and is only AP2 (but again that doesn't matter when fighting an unarmored jedi) but the accuracy mods on it are glorious. Mine is +117 to hit from ideal range, and I don't even have a really great one. If you're fighting a novice Jedi that hasn't brought up his defensive abilities, then by all means use the T21, but against a defender, the DXR-6b may be your only hope.
Keeno_Kilimal
Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:47 am
#18
I would love to use my T21, but with it's speed being 11.0 seconds there's no way I'm going to until I get it speed sliced, which hopefully I get lucky and am able to get that instead of a damage slice.
XaverriJade7
Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:54 pm
#19
AldeonAvardulin wrote:
Just so you know, block is different then ranged defense. You can have all the accuracy in the world but block will still block. Accuracy beats down ranged defense, wich Jedi have little of.
And a laser rifle sucks becuase of its min damage. Ranged mitigation tears it apart. Do to its low min damage, it brings the max damage WAY down.
You don't stop by often enough 
CrashNgoBoom
Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:25 pm
#20
It depends on your rifles stats too,rifles very a lot in damage. My T-21 is 291-753 with a power up and my laser is is in the double digits for min and around 735 for max. In that case the T21 is much better.
NemesiS65
Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:11 pm
#21
Feynan wrote:
I think people are too quick to judge on this.
My T21 is 162-603 (with powerup)
My Laser is 109-798 (with powerup)
The difference between the min-damages isn't that big, even though yes Lasers do have a low min damage. The max damage difference is just under 200. Now, the key difference between the Laser and T21 is the AP, which is a difference of 1 AP or 25% damage against an unarmored target.
So, if you shoot with a T21 you'll get 25% extra damage. Well, 25% of 600 is about 750, which makes it still 50 damage below the Laser. Now, the Laser is also about 50 damage below in terms of the min damage, so I guess it all evens out.
You have the worst min damage ive ever seen on a T21 and the best min damage i have ever seen on a Laser. I suggest maybe you exaggerate those numbers. T21 is hands down a better rifle than a laser. No comparison.
XaverriJade7
Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:54 pm
#22
Unarmored targets have no AR rating. What this means is that the AP value of the gun is meaningless. You should get no bonus against them by having more AP.
Feynan wrote:
I think people are too quick to judge on this.
My T21 is 162-603 (with powerup)
My Laser is 109-798 (with powerup)
The difference between the min-damages isn't that big, even though yes Lasers do have a low min damage. The max damage difference is just under 200. Now, the key difference between the Laser and T21 is the AP, which is a difference of 1 AP or 25% damage against an unarmored target.
So, if you shoot with a T21 you'll get 25% extra damage. Well, 25% of 600 is about 750, which makes it still 50 damage below the Laser. Now, the Laser is also about 50 damage below in terms of the min damage, so I guess it all evens out.
israiley
Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:40 pm
#23
and since jedi have no mitigation, the min damage isnt even as critical afactor. bottom line is whatever has the highest accuracy is your best bet for fighting jedi.
nikazza
Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:04 pm
#24
i dont think you riflemen have foughten enough jedi, i am a MBH/MRIFLE...it is true that a good disrupter can be good against a jedi. but when i say good, i mean GOOD. you need to have at least 500max damage on your disrupter without a power up. if the jedi is using a shield gen which has 30% to energy, the T21 will be doing way more damage than the disrupter. and accuracy is such a small measure in hunting jedi.
sabre block has nothing to do with accuracy. you can have 1000000 rifle accuracy, and 100000 rifle accuracy while moving and they will still block the same amount of shots. the only difference is you wont miss. so as long as you are not running away from a jedi that is 5 m behind you, you will NOT MISS 90%+ of the time. you will still be blocked 85% of the time by a master sabre jedi.
another reasonable idea against a jedi is a high damage laser rifle with a power up. because they dont have mitigation, it could do well. but if they use a shield generator, then you are screwed.
i personally use a T21 that has 260-578 damage and then with a power up it is around 778 max damage. i just like scaring them with a good opening shot of 900 damage to their mind 
but it really has more to do with what is the best gun YOU own. if you have an uber t21 use it, if you have an uber disrupter, use it and if you have an uber laser rifle use it. (it is best to use strafe) if they have a friend(s), switch to the jawa rifle and strafe/flurry them all. use flurry shot to stun those stupid defense stackers.
but it really has more to do with what is the best gun YOU own. if you have an uber t21 use it, if you have an uber disrupter, use it and if you have an uber laser rifle use it. (it is best to use strafe) if they have a friend(s), switch to the jawa rifle and strafe/flurry them all. use flurry shot to stun those stupid defense stackers.
Kachada
Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:50 pm
#25
Some people seem not to be wise to this, so I'll say it again.
Weapons get no Armor Piercing Bonus against a target not wearing Armor
Along those lines, I would highly reccomend that if fighting a Jedi solo, you may as well use Bio-Clothing instead of armor. Unless the Jedi has his own bodyguards, in which case by all means, armor away.
Weapons get no Armor Piercing Bonus against a target not wearing Armor
Along those lines, I would highly reccomend that if fighting a Jedi solo, you may as well use Bio-Clothing instead of armor. Unless the Jedi has his own bodyguards, in which case by all means, armor away.