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Thread: Nerf/quit... A serious question for the dedicated rifleman..

Borsig
Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:07 pm
#1


Ive been a rifleman since launch.. I hit master with a DLT20 on starsider.. Before we ever had the resources for a T21 or even a laser rifle. Im as dedicated as they come. My block still does not work, and never has. If Im unbuffed, it costs me over 200 points of mind to fire a strafe2 with my T21. Am I complaining? Not yet... While I would like nothing more than to see block fixed, I see publish 7 as the end of my career in SWG. I am a dedicated fairly high ranking officer in my PA, and I love this game.. However, a damage reduction, or speed cap, or other nerf to our defenses (not the melee mix up - but our ranged defense) or any other serious nerf will be the last for me. Ive waited a year for our profession to finally be where it belongs. Now, rumors of 74% DPS reductions, serious hits to the damge our shots do, and 3 second speed caps, fly all over the place..


This, will be the last straw for me, if we get hit with these nerfs. Im sure the 30.00 a month SOE gets from me will make no difference in their decision. Im sure even thousands of dollars from unsubscribed riflemen will make no difference in the Dev's plans. But I truly wonder how many will follow. How many will have had enough? How many will be furious that we were finnaly fixed, save block, to where we need to be, only to have it taken away. Instad of bringing other professions, in line, nerf the rifleman back to uselessness.


Frankly Ive had enough.


I , will be gone if they do... Will you?


(Bear in mind this isnt a threat post to the devs.. Im just wondering how many feel like I do.)

Message Edited by Borsig on 03-01-2004 03:08 PM



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Onichi
Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:18 pm
#2

No matter what happens I will do my best to give the changes an honest to goodness run for its money and if it's a complete "Pooch Screw" I will most probably seriously consider leaving the game, yes.


I'll have to try and weigh it up first because I have made a lot of friends in-game and on the boards, not to mention I am now a P.A leader ( Whodathunkit ).That'll be the saddest part about having to leave





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DVader539
Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:51 pm
#3

I'm borderline on quiting if they screw us over. (Basically how bad they screw us over, if they do, will decide for me.) If you look at my sig you'll see I'm still very dissapointed with the Devs on the issue of Riflemen, not to menton other things.

As a person who's been on these boards years before the game launched, helped out in Beta, and put up with the horrid launch they had, I think asking the Riflemen not be nerfed because the majority of the game's professions are broken is fairly honest and feasible thing to ask for.



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signal1941
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:18 pm
#4

I just can't see how you can cap our speed without increasing damage or reduce our damage without increasing our range and not kill this profession. Fixing the melee to-hit bug will help silence many nerf cries I hope.

I admit I am afraid though, I know how developers think and act in these types of games. It is far easier to listen to the whiners and nerf one profession than fix those that need help.



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Roszce
Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:09 pm
#5

*raises hand*


me, I've had enough.


It's not just nerfs in particular, either, it's the whole game. I've been coming to these forums for more than 2 and a half years, and followed the game's development very closely. The announced features that made me the most excited about this game to start with are no longer a part of the game in any form. Many of the features I still found fun through beta and after release have now been changed, or affected by other changes to the point that they are no longer fun. Even when my friends quit the game after 3 months I told them they were being to hasty, and not giving the game enough of a chance to grow to the point it should be at. Now the game has had more than enough time. But there are still bugs present that have been around since the beginning. The fact that abilities like block don't work properly should be shameful for a company of the size and purported production values of SOE. And the fact that every publish brings this game even closer to EQ in space is beyond disappointing. I hardly play any more because it isn't really that fun when I do. I've been a strong supporter of the game for far longer than it deserved, but the fact remains that SOE doesn't care. As long as their new subscriber numbers outweigh their unsubscribed numbers, they'll do whatever they think will bring in the new subscribers. And that means ignoring the greater, underlying problems, and slapping on anything that can constitute a press release.


There was a great article written a few months ago about why that kind of turnover is unhealthy for a game company, but SOE won't care until it affects their bottom line, and that'll be a lot longer in coming.


Anyways, I think I"m done. I'll see how I feel in a month or two, but I doubt I'll renew my subscription when it's up.






OditeFosore
Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:35 pm
#6

I can't quit, I'm addicted. I love riflemen and have been riflemen since I started. I also love CH and have been since I started. I've already seen CH go from a formidable PVP force to only a useful tool in PVE.
The one thing that would ruin riflemen for me would be a speed cap without some sort of damage increase or better "sniper"/cover improvement. I'd still tag along and do my best to provide the "gunner" support (that's the tag I wear), but I don't think we would have a very useful profession.


Cheers,


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PyscoJuggalo
Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:14 pm
#7

I'm same boat as the Orignal poster, Starsider rifleman since launch(3 months of only having a DL20a!!!!!!).


I'm gonna stick around no matter what. Reason I want to see the ship sink if they fail(the other reason is if they actually pull it off and finnaly get down to the potential of this game).


The way I figure is this, they took $200.00 from me in June(Special Edition game with 1 year subscription), since they took that money from me I'm goning to get my value from it. If they fail I will atleast enjoy watching them scurry around like rats on a sinking ship.


-Now I hope they don't fail, but still they have not changed their ways. They do not deceminate information with the community, this is the most frustrating thing they do not do. Whoknows though maybe Publish 8 will be great and we will be balanced fairly. Maybe they will start being more open to the player base. Maybe the game will get better.


But anywho I'm staying until their glorious rise and SWG 2 is made or their decent into hell and all the Dev's are fired and this game is a cold dead husk in my hard drive





I am the Mad Rifleman, Writer of the Riflenomican. I understand the secrets of the Dark Ancient Developer ones and their Evil. (Maniacal Laughter) He he he he he, Ha ha ha ha ha, Aha ha ha ha!
CM's are like nukes. You have them just incase you need them, but as soon as you start using yours the other guys start using theirs and everything goes to hell-PyschoticChipmunk -The First line of the Riflenomican.
PsychoticChipmunk
Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:27 pm
#8

I'm staying until the space expansion then it is decision time after a month or two of playing that. If it isn't anywhere near what I wanted/expected then I quit and not sooner. The next few publishes aren't that big of deal to me I've stuck through this profession with worse (I had T-21's thanks to Bloodfin but still that was hell back in teh beginning) so I'll stick through it. The only hard thing that I can forsee is if you all quit I'll be all alone here on the forums



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Digi-Abit
Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:54 pm
#9

Wow.. can you over-powered riflemen cry anymore?

I can't understand how some of you can sit here and contemplate quitting because they are nerfing your precious "broken" rifleman. Personally, it's stupid that a rifleman can fire as fast as a master pistoleer, and be just as accurate from point-blank range... and not to mention having standard 700+ dmg rifles with heavy AP



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PsychoticChipmunk
Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:59 pm
#10






Digi-Abit wrote:
Wow.. can you over-powered riflemen cry anymore?

I can't understand how some of you can sit here and contemplate quitting because they are nerfing your precious "broken" rifleman. Personally, it's stupid that a rifleman can fire as fast as a master pistoleer, and be just as accurate from point-blank range... and not to mention having standard 700+ dmg rifles with heavy AP





You're lucky, I don't feel like diggin up all the points nor spending the time to have a conversation with you over how your points are wrong or simply taken to an extreme or simply misinformed. I really do need to get working on polishing up my english paper and this would just rob me of too much time.



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Onichi
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:02 pm
#11

It really sucks how we can't even have a civil conversation amongst ourselves without someone dropping a few lame comments in to waste even more forum space.. SHEESH!






In the immortal words of the mighty Chewbacca "MUAAAAAAAARRRRRRrrrgh!"
Imperial Leiutenant

Official Rifleman's Motto: Of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most.
"If you can see it without a scope, it aint Sniping"
Waiomacca
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:03 pm
#12

are you sure its the rifleman crying?


After all .. its not like I can shoot as accurately with a pistol from the same max range as a rifle and not deplete my mind entirely with just a few shots and then go troll other boards anyway.


anyway ....


So is the speed cap thing for real? I've never really seen any authority that they are going to do it.


PyscoJuggalo
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:12 pm
#13

My gawd, like pistoleers never whined





I am the Mad Rifleman, Writer of the Riflenomican. I understand the secrets of the Dark Ancient Developer ones and their Evil. (Maniacal Laughter) He he he he he, Ha ha ha ha ha, Aha ha ha ha!
CM's are like nukes. You have them just incase you need them, but as soon as you start using yours the other guys start using theirs and everything goes to hell-PyschoticChipmunk -The First line of the Riflenomican.
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