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Thread: No need to lower HAM cost on specials

_qwadd
Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:42 am
#1

I honestly don't kow what you are all complaining about regarding special move HAM costs.


I spam headshot3 over and over with a T-21 and never...repeat for emphasis....NEVER have run out of mind HAM from it.



I think you guys need to look at your point allocation, mind encumbrance on armor etc. (personally I wear no armor...my targets are dead before they know it....investing in some ranger skills helps as well).


Go ahead and flame....I'm just getting tired of how peeps will whine about stuff that isnt broken. Seen way too many games get ruined by the likes of this.



Let the devs concentrate on fixing stuff that IS broken.....don't force them to spend time changing stuff that works, that YOU haven't figured out how to do properly yet.



Love,


Qwadd


Rifleman/Ranger

AldeonAvardulin
Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:12 am
#2

Unless you down moun gold, or your weapon crafter had one of those weapon power ups you use during crafting wich makes the HAM costs lower. With 600 focus, you will be getting 190 mind costs with a T21.


1100 HAM, firing 1 shot every 2 seconds, in 10 seconds thts, 950 mind. Your fighting 1 person, try getting in a group and fighting 10 vs 10, you have a problem there, becuase in 15-20 seconds you out of mind.




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AldeonAvardulin
Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:15 am
#3

We have some of the highest specials in the game, our specials cost more then pistols knock down, hey but they drain action, yet we drain mind. So after a certain amount of shots, your sitting down.


If you think downing moun gold is the answer, or having a master musicial follow you around all the time, you need to think some. Im sorry, but you have no idea what its like if you think our specials are fine.





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-Myrick-
Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:18 am
#4

If you have no problems with this than why don't you let everyone know your mind stats.


I'm a Zabrak with 1000 mind 500 focus and 900 willpower. And I don't wear armor. It doesn't get much better than that. And i have trouble with trying to spam headshot3 with a T21. I can't even do it with an e11 rifle effectively. The T21 drains about 160ish and the e11 drains about 100. That's about 6 shots with the T21 and about 9 shots with the e11 and then no mind. Then if you have something hitting you in the mind pool each hit will knock of about 2-3 attacks worth of mind.


Then if you're in PvP then you're even more screwed. We get hit hardest by a % decrease in damage because a 75% loss ofrifle damage is alot more than a 75% loss of a pistoleers damage. Then so you hit for about 300 in PvP and still take 160 damage from the mind drain.If you're fighting a BH , you know who is gonna win.


So if you've found some high and mighty way of doing things better, then share you're info. And don't say dancer/entertainer buffs, or Spice, or Foods. None of that lasts long enough to make a difference.


No matter what you can't lower the damage on the T21 and keep the HAM the same. That's not very balanced.




Myrick

_qwadd
Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:04 am
#5

I don't know what to tell you...I'm not uber, I dont have musicians following me around and I've never tried spice. No powerups.



I will not lie to you tho....I have never, ever drained my mind pool from fighting PvE, with constant headshot3, fighting mobs with 5k-6k HAM, soloed. This includes the odd stim heal.



Throwing traps drains me faster then my T-21 specials!!



The only other info I can give you is this:


Zabrak with 1000 mind 900 willpower 500 focus.


T-21 stats (from memory) speed 8.4, mind HAM 70 (i think).



I have Novice Bounty Hunter as well, and had (until recently) underhand shot.....you wanna talk about HAM costs???



Aldeon...as correspondent, try to remove YOUR perception from what needs to fixed....don't be so quick to jump down my throat and tell me I have no idea about our specials, because I am a Rifleman...one of the peeps you are supposed to represent. As I Rifleman, I'm telling you HONESTLY what I am seeing in the field.



If you only accept data that supports your own beefs/beliefs, I'll be looking forward to our next correspondent.



Love,



Qwadd


Rifleman/Ranger

supersparc
Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:14 am
#6

What is your current + to rifle speed mod?





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Seflyn
Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:19 am
#7

_qwadd, I'm a human with all my mind stats maxed, I'mALWAYS waiting on my mind.


I'm glad you have no problems with mind drain, butgoing by the number of people who post about it, it is a problem for most of us.




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SilverLobo
Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:53 am
#8

Try being a Bothan. I wouldnt change my race for anything, but it doesnt change the fact that my focus is maxed at 550 and willpower is maxed at 500.


Mind use is a concern, do I think it needs to be adjusted? I havnt explored all the possibilities out there to give a accurate answer, yet at least.


One thing I do have a issue and AA you might be help me with this. I have a T21 with a 74 base mind use that when I use strafe 2 it costs 140 HAM, use the same shot with a laser rifle 60 base costs 98 mind used. Looking at this I am guessing that the attack itself has a unseen multiplyer of some kind, but again it is just a guess.


Also I would like to point out that our Auto attack is destructive in its own right. My normal auto hits for 150-160 with some 230's thrown in, this is for PvP. That is much, much higher then any other weapon, and must be included in any discussion on Mind use. Plus our ability to use a AE that can totally incap a group of players, my personal best is 2 players and 3 faction pets with one SS2.

Straylight9
Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:15 am
#9

I too agree. Most helmets and chestplates drop your mind real quick. And yes, if you are a marksman you don't need armour, your targets should be too far away to inflict that kind of damage.



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Tezctlpoca
Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:44 am
#10

Did it at any point occour to you, jackass, that those of us who are not Zabrak will NOT be able to regen our mind pool as fast as you do? That as a Zabrak, you will naturally regen mind points twice as fast?


No?


Then be so kind as to shut up andstop being such as useless waste of oxygen, you idiot.




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BountySeron
Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:19 pm
#11

Atleast he CAN be healed when low? We have no chance.

When Im in a massive PvP i run around shotting regular shots all the time because my mind is drained.. Im only waiting for a fresh imp rifleman to pickup his CDEF and do a hs1 on me... I'll have no chance.. Chances are im going to war with my CDEF next time, then I finaly can spam some hs3.. yay?

Im a Twi'lek and have my willpower and focus maxed at 500 and have 900 mind.. talk about getting drained?

You say you are fighting 5-6k mobs, try doing some 9.5-10k mobs instead. Every Rifleman can almost one- or two-shot a 5k mob.. Its different when you also have to spam suprression or warning shot with your spraystick or whatever mind eating rifle you have.

Im killing myself faster than others are killing me, and I wear no armor at all.



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Gazkan
Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:36 pm
#12

From what I understand headshot3 is the only one of these level 3 ranged attack special moves that actually is less efficient to fire than the previous shot (legshot3, bodyshot3)... I believe the numberswere keyed in wrong by the developers.. it does about 11% more damage at> 50% more cost making it a completely and utterly useless skill. I have 1100/600/600 mind stats, and with Muon Gold and a 75mind T-21 with a 5.0 second delay and 60% worth of speed upsfrom skills (**edit** I wish that was a speed slice) I can eat up my mind in just a few shots -- WITH MUON GOLD.
Gazkan
Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:37 pm
#13

meant for that to say i wish it was a damage slice.
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