Rifleman Archive

This was my fight with a "Novice Bounty Hunter". He was hitting me with eyeshot at a rate of once per second.

83 damage
220 damage
187 damage
159 damage
227 damage
184 damage
205 damage

This is PvP damage, of course, so figure he was shooting for about 800+ damage.

Now anytime I shoot someone with my T21 doing Headshot3, it uses up a ton of my mind and yet this BH was able to spam eyeshot on me 7 times in a row (blinding me each time) with no apparent ill effects (whatever action damage he took was healed so I didn't get to see it). Killing someone with mindshot3 puts me out of the fight for the next 5 minutes so I can sit and heal. It also, of course, would make it that much easier for a BH to kill me -- his eyeshot apparently uses action where my mindshot uses mind. If he spams eyeshot and I spam headshot, I'll just die faster.

If BH's are the supreme mind pool damage dealers, what are riflemen for?

I think that Headshot should use the action pool, or else eyeshot should use the mind pool with a greater penalty than headshot2, at least.

this has been brought up many times already so i hope something is being done about it. ill keep it short by saying: a profession specializing in a certain thing (ie mind damage) should be the best at doing that ability than any other class in the game. period.

Yes it has been brought up many of times, and it has been stated many of times that at Master Rifleman you can hange easily. Right now as a Novice Rifleman your speed is so slow it makes it **edit** near impossible to compete.

You guys really have to stop with the Nerf this nerf that because you actually die to something as a Novice Rifleman. How about finishing the profession and then seeing what it can do.

Damage I do - (with a DLT20a) So imagine with a better rifle. (this is PvP)

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I would just like to see alittle fairness in how the specials work. Our specials use up our mind pools rather quickly, I would like to see the other weapon specialties hit for a similar cost in their respective bars. I.E. carbines getting action cost for their specials comparable to ours and pistol with the health bar. That would seem fair concidering their speed advantage. I know that at master rifleman that things are supposed to balance out. but shouldn't the penalties that have to be overcome as a novice rifleman as far as special cost be the same no matter what the weapon? You should only reach your full destructive potential when you reach the master level of your weapon. Balance issues are very blatant across the weapon choices. A mid range pistol or carbiner is the equivalent of a master level rifleman. I could see the how one would naturally assume that the bigger the weapon the more harmful the wound that you would recieve from it. But, do to the new T21 rules, our best weapon has become a more of a specialised version of our second best weapon instead of a viable weapons platform all it's own. Ah hell, anyway you look at it we can all feel alittle foolish with this profession. Nothing is going to ever be correct for everyone. That is why I have continued to advance up the rifleman chain. I like the idea of the rifleman and I like how it in theory meshes with the ranger profession. But when it comes to hard numbers and over prefered style, it comes back to the discrepancies of the weapons being used by most gamers. Hell, I would love to see a perk added to the master pistol that would allow them to attack another master pistol user without all the business of the asking for a duel.Then the rest of us could go about our uberless lives and play this **edit** game.

Lobo, this point keeps getting brought up because it's totally valid.

BHs do not need to be master to compete, neither does any other profession. Riflemen are broken. The speed increase we get at master needs to be spread out over the whole life of the profession. Even with that though, eyeshot needs to either be completely removed, or changed to use mind instead of action.

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AldeonAvardulin wrote:

Damage I do - (with a DLT20a) So imagine with a better rifle. (this is PvP)

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Yes? And what's your speed between shots?. He was a novice BH, not a master. You aren't firing shots like that once per second as a novice rifleman, I guarentee you that.

Also, you're ignoring what I said about the pool usage. You do those shots and I'll kill you with a toothpick because you're going to have about 50 mind left. The BH can dothat much damageto the mind and then use a Stim-B to heal back to full health and be ready to rock some more.

Meanwhile, you're sitting on your butt for 5 minutes because you just blew out your own mind.

And how are you doing 510 damage in PvP with a DLT20a? You're saying your DLT20a can shoot for 2040 damage? As a non-master rifleman? What are you smoking?

Please don't tell me the rifleman correspondant is comparing a master rifleman to any newbie bounty hunter with eyeshot and a pistol. I need to know if I should switch professions before I spend more XP on one that's doomed.

OK so this is a bit of a rant but I'm really sick of hearing "don't complain untill you hit master" that sentiment is 80% of why I quit daoc the idea that you shouldn't worry about balance and enjoying your class untill you've maxed it is absurd. I like this game alot but really its just offensive for those who have the time to hit master to say stop whineing you fire at 1-2 secs at master, many of us aren't masters there may even be a few who don't plan on getting master in their template, regardless of whether or not things are a problem at master they should be balanced before master. A novice pistoleer or worse yet swordsman will kill a novice rifleman even if the rifleman is taking cover(bugged last I checked) and starts at optimum range. we can't hit when running and cant hit when they close in. thats not even getting into knockdown and our supposed equalizer of hitting the mind pool that a BH can hit as well and add status effects.

/rant off

I also don't think its fair to compare a rifleman master or otherwise to to a bounty hunter the cost to get BH is much higher than to get rifleman a novice BH has used more skill points than a master rifleman so a compareison isn't really possable. I also dislike the whole nerf this nerf that that is rampant on any board, if thiers a problem wiht your class complain about that say I want to fire faster, or I think I shouldn't have sucha huge penalty on close up shots and a melee damage multiplier against me don't just call for nerfs that just pisses off other classes and will wrap around to yours untill we're all a homoginized grand unifacation of classes that are completely equal by being completely the same and all can go play counterstrike.

Never, never, never say that a BH is supposed to be better at pvp because of the skill points they spent! They get variety, they don't get to be better!

Look - there are a lot of people who like pvp. Right now they are waiting for game balance. If it really truly turns out that the BHis going to remain "the best" at pvp, then what you're going to end up with is a whole lot of BHs -People who wanted to play another class originally, but had to switch to BH so they wouldn't get slapped around in pvp. Arguably you could say this has already happened...

Anyway, that is about as stupid a design mistake as you could possibly make. I don't think these guys (meaning the devs) are that dumb.

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Pecos wrote:

Yes? And what's your speed between shots?. He was a novice BH, not a master. You aren't firing shots like that once per second as a novice rifleman, I guarentee you that.

Also, you're ignoring what I said about the pool usage. You do those shots and I'll kill you with a toothpick because you're going to have about 50 mind left. The BH can dothat much damageto the mind and then use a Stim-B to heal back to full health and be ready to rock some more.

Meanwhile, you're sitting on your butt for 5 minutes because you just blew out your own mind.

And how are you doing 510 damage in PvP with a DLT20a? You're saying your DLT20a can shoot for 2040 damage? As a non-master rifleman? What are you smoking?

Please don't tell me the rifleman correspondant is comparing a master rifleman to any newbie bounty hunter with eyeshot and a pistol. I need to know if I should switch professions before I spend more XP on one that's doomed.

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Don't be so quick to criticize: the DLT20a will fire ANY special attack once per second at master level (well, with an extra +5 from master marksman anyway). And it does not rip your mind to shreds either. Those numbers Aldeon wrote look to be not in pvp, but they still compete with the bounty hunter numbers...

And I'm sorry if you're not a master, but, though we all hate to hear this... bounty hunters HAVE mastered 2 professions already (although easy ones), while riflemen just needed one line. Master rifleman, and THEN complain about bounty hunters being so ridiculous. I agree bh is pretty powerful, but we're a force as well.

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AldeonAvardulin wrote:

Damage I do - (with a DLT20a) So imagine with a better rifle. (this is PvP)

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These were not headshots. Not with DL20a. No way in hell.

if the bh used eyeshot close to once a second he most likely picked up pistoleer line to so he is HIGHLY specialized in pistols.

Its simple:

1 pillar of pistol xp > 3 pillars of rifle xp and 1 pillar of combat xp.

Im sure our rifleman correspondent (or some other idiot) will come in here and say: "Duh, but you can compete at master rifleman"

Yeah, FUK master rifleman. Im sick and **edit** tired of getting aced over and over by some jack-off with 1 pillar of pistol xp while i have 4/4/2/3 in rifleman.

When I hit master rifleman ill be the 3rd or 4th one on the Wanderhome server. Meanwhile there are 400-500 novice bounty hunters with 1 branch of pistol xp kicking everyones ass.

And dont give me crap about how "they pay for it by being restricted in thier skills"

BS!

I see novice BH's with master CH. I see novice BH's with master doctor. I see novice BH's with novice doctor/combat medic. I see novice BH's with fuking CHEF skills. ALL of them are able to kick a 4/4/4/4 rifleman's ass!