Rifleman Archive

ya, that works.

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Waste93 wrote:

To assassinate means to kill a person for money or political gain. It doesn't fit in with the Rifleman at all.

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The same question still applies, why does this not fit? I get money on ALL of my missions, and most of them are to go and assassinate someone, most assassination are performed by sniper rifles, sniper rifles are used by rifleman. Doesn't that fit all of the criteria you gave? Not to mention ALL of the faction destroy missions are ASSASSINATE members of the other faction for faction points (political gain) and money (money). If you don't like the term because you feel it does not fit the way you'd play or like to play that's one thing, but if you're still saying the term doesn't fit explain to me how you feel it doesn't, just curious.

And since it is the Concealment branch, Silent Assassin fits best.

Message Edited by Xian-Thariuz on 02-24-2004 03:02 PM

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IanEdgey wrote:

How not? Maybe not what we do, but not for the branch? Once I got my concealshot (from that branch), I started "assassinating" A WHOLE LOT MORE, and without being noticed, that's why I like Silent Assassin.

And for the rec, ghost...uh, no good.

Exactly it is Assassin this tree, you sit there killing quenkers with no aggro... lovely

Silent Assassin is a bad name, how about Assassinator

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But you can not assassinate a creature. Assassinate means to kill a person for money (a contract killing) or for political reasons. But it only applies to people, not creatures.

Hunters don't go around assassinating deer during deer season. They kill them, but they don't assassinate them.

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Xian-Thariuz wrote:

The same question still applies, why does this not fit? I get money on ALL of my missions, and most of them are to go and assassinate someone, most assassination are performed by sniper rifles, sniper rifles are used by rifleman. Doesn't that fit all of the criteria you gave? Not to mention ALL of the faction destroy missions are ASSASSINATE members of the other faction for faction points (political gain) and money (money). If you don't like the term because you feel it does not fit the way you'd play or like to play that's one thing, but if you're still saying the term doesn't fit explain to me how you feel it doesn't, just curious.

And since it is the Concealment branch, Silent Assassin fits best.

Message Edited by Xian-Thariuz on 02-24-2004 03:02 PM

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It might be a better idea to move "Sniper" from the accuracy branch and make it the "Concealment" branch title.

In the "Accuracy" branch put "Sharpshooter" and for Master box put "Rifle Master"

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I think that is the best idea so far, I really like this idea. Those who don't like the master tag could jump on this one too.





Missed this one... and it gets my vote.... couldnt agree more[/quote]

Ya, I like this one too.

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PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

Not all destroy missions involve quenkers, and a lair. I assassinate stormtroopers daily, well every couple of days at least. While true I use strafeshot2 for most of those missions I could use concealshot if I were lower in the tree. I also do some of the 5k missions on Corellia (why leave my town?) which involve me killing afarathu people. Those are sentient beings and I loose faction with them (political prowess) so that is assassination as well. Assassin's don't always just take out 1 target then disappear into the night, you have to take out the guard as well. Maybe every witness within a 5 mile radius too, just depends on your megalomania.

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Sure you can assassinate NPCs. And you may do this. But as most of the MOBs are creatures, not NPC's, I still don't think Assassin fits this branch.

Also not all killing of sentients is an assassination. Just because you are killing Afs doesn't mean you are assassinating them nor does the FP lose for doing so indicate this. It could also be an attempt at genocide and the Af, realizing this, but you on their short list. But that doesn't mean you are assassinating them. You are just killing them. Could you be assassinating them? Yes. But are all killings of sentient beings assassinations? Nope. In fact the majority of them are not.

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Waste93 wrote:

Sure you can assassinate NPCs. And you may do this. But as most of the MOBs are creatures, not NPC's, I still don't think Assassin fits this branch.

Also not all killing of sentients is an assassination. Just because you are killing Afs doesn't mean you are assassinating them nor does the FP lose for doing so indicate this. It could also be an attempt at genocide and the Af, realizing this, but you on their short list. But that doesn't mean you are assassinating them. You are just killing them. Could you be assassinating them? Yes. But are all killings of sentient beings assassinations? Nope. In fact the majority of them are not.

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But I am getting paid for it. Even if it is just an attempt at genocide I am a contracted killer which makes me an assassin as long as I get my credits and they get a scorched hole in their head. If I were to wander around killing random spawns that pop up then yes I would agree it is just murder but I don't, except for things that spawn on my doorstep and/or aggro me after my car autostores.

And just because some MOB's are creatures does not mean that you have to kill them. If it wasn't for the lack of player cities and rebel basesI would haveleveled up rifleman doingstormtrooper missions. After all; I would get money, faction, and experience making it a triple whammy over a double.

Message Edited by PsychoticChipmunk on 02-24-2004 06:33 PM

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PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

But I am getting paid for it. Even if it is just an attempt at genocide I am a contracted killer which makes me an assassin as long as I get my credits and they get a scorched hole in their head. If I were to wander around killing random spawns that pop up then yes I would agree it is just murder but I don't, except for things that spawn on my doorstep and/or aggro me after my car autostores.

And just because some MOB's are creatures does not mean that you have to kill them. If it wasn't for the lack of player cities and rebel basesI would haveleveled up rifleman doingstormtrooper missions. After all; I would get money, faction, and experience making it a triple whammy over a double.

Message Edited by PsychoticChipmunk on 02-24-2004 06:33 PM

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Soldiers get paid to kill too. But that doesn't make them assassins. Which means killing all those Stormtroopers you were a soldier for the Alliance fighting a war. Not an assassin.

1. One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person.
   
2. Assassin A member of a secret order of Muslims who terrorized and killed Christian Crusaders and others

So, ignoring number 2 and looking at number 1 I would say that getting paid to kill NPCs who are prominent to there particular faction, then you are in fact assassinating them. In fact this goes even further and suggests by using a suprise attack, well conceal shot pretty much surprises them as they dont know where it came from. And by prominent that does not have any political connection, it could be a famous music/movie star etc..

Also sorry for my reference to quenkers (and your funny come back suggesting it would be like killing dear IRL)I was merely commenting on the fact that we can 'assassinate' any mob/npc in the game..**j/k -- I dont see many dear run head first at the hunters after several head shots, unlike those pesky quenkers**... the reference to the quenker was meant as a joke, due to the fact most rifleman get master by killing lots of quenkers....(hmmm prolly disagree with this wont ya!)

/sigh

If you can't see the difference between a Bounty Hunter accepting a mission to track, target and kill a sentient for credits,differs fromtaking out the enemy whether you are 'concealed' or not. Then Assassin is the title for you

Otherwise, whether it is nit picking or not Waste 93 has made 100% bang on reasons why Assassin is a poor choice.

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MSP0 wrote:

re·con·noi·ter
PRONUNCIATION: rk-noitr, rk-
VERB: Inflected forms: re·con·noi·tered, re·con·noi·ter·ing, re·con·noi·ters

TRANSITIVE VERB: To make a preliminary inspection of, especially in order to gather military information.
INTRANSITIVE VERB: To make a reconnaissance.
ETYMOLOGY: Obsolete French reconnoître, from Old French reconoistre, to recognize. See recognize.

This would be in place of Recon Specialist. If we go for this, our titles would all directly match a role in the infantry. Sniper, Reconnoiter, Gunner, Soldier.

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MSP0, suggestion is also a great proposal. I like how the 4 titles are militarily related.

Message Edited by Rolassk on 02-24-2004 11:29 PM