Rifleman Archive

Thread: Conceal Shot

Majineko
Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:15 am
#53

Would this work on krayts and nightsistersand stuff?


Im 4/0/4/3 rifleman, haven't gone up the concealment branch yet =D




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shadowlith
Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:17 am
#54






Majineko wrote:

Would this work on krayts and nightsistersand stuff?


Im 4/0/4/3 rifleman, haven't gone up the concealment branch yet =D



Takes forever now, but yeah. Usually they end up agroing you before you can kill them. Used to be really nice before they buffed the HAM up.





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DECarbineer
Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:26 am
#55

It works on everything. But uber moobs get a random bleed sometimes when they get damaged a lot so have your speeder near.



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OditeFosore
Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:34 pm
#56




DECarbineer wrote:
It works on everything. But uber moobs get a random bleed sometimes when they get damaged a lot so have your speeder near.




/hijack


I found a really old T21 in a backpack in my house that has a really low wound chance. I've heard that wound chance affects your likelihood of landingthe heinouse randombleed. If that's the case, I'd be better off using this old T21 when trying to solo high-end MOBs using conceal. Anyone know?


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ItalianJediLord
Tue May 04, 2004 7:47 pm
#57

If I have 80 rifle speed using a 4.5 speed rifle. Will I be hitting the speed cap using Conceal shot? Its weird being only 2104 in Rifleman with a +10 rifle speed attachment, both my accuracy and speed are at 80, odd no?
ItalianJediLord
Tue May 04, 2004 11:53 pm
#58

Should I use Conceal Shot or continue with Head Shot 3? With the speed I have I can take out Pikets before they even get to me.
Cablegod
Wed May 05, 2004 4:47 am
#59






ItalianJediLord wrote:
Should I use Conceal Shot or continue with Head Shot 3? With the speed I have I can take out Pikets before they even get to me.






i dont have conceal shot as im only 4-0-0-2...but use what you find to work best...if conceal takes off more damage thanhead 3 but doesnt target a specific pool (mind) then stay with head 3...as head 3 only affects the mind...good luck to you and please post your findings...id like a heads up if you dont mind



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XaverriJade7
Wed May 05, 2004 4:53 am
#60

I think Concealshot has a 2.5x delay. So....4.5(rifle delay)x 2.5(special delay)= 11.25(firing speed).


11.25 x .80(from rifle speed) =9.0(rifle speed bonus).


11.25(firing speed)-9.0(rifle speed bonus)= 2.25(actual rate of fire)


That work for you? The FAQ explains it much better, I think.





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XaverriJade7
Wed May 05, 2004 4:54 am
#61



EDIT: double post, sorry

Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 05-06-2004 04:56 AM





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
Elexis' Hard Wars Cafe in Paradox, Lok (1330, -305) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor
XaverriJade7
Wed May 05, 2004 4:55 am
#62


EDIT: triple post, grr.....

Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 05-06-2004 04:57 AM





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
Elexis' Hard Wars Cafe in Paradox, Lok (1330, -305) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor
TalKurgan
Wed May 05, 2004 10:53 am
#63

I think that concealshot has a delay modifier of 3.0, headshot3 has a delay modifier of 2.0. Either way, if you can drop a piket with headshot3 before it gets to you then continue to do that. Concealshot is very annoying as it hits a random pool.

If you like to run numbers, then check this out:


http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php


Keep in mind that hitting a random pool slows things up a bit since you will generally have to do more damage than if you were just working one pool.



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BlueZephyr
Wed May 05, 2004 11:17 am
#64

TalKurgan:


Nice work. Thanks for this info and the worksheet; this is very useful info and will help me (and a lot of players, I'd guess) make more informed decisions about which weapon to use when and which special to use in specific situations--should save me a few trips to the cloning facility


BlueZephyr
Sotaudi
Wed May 05, 2004 3:31 pm
#65






XaverriJade7 wrote:

I think Concealshot has a 2.5x delay. So....4.5(rifle delay)x 2.5(special delay)= 11.25(firing speed).


11.25 x .80(from rifle speed) =9.0(rifle speed bonus).


11.25(firing speed)-9.0(rifle speed bonus)= 2.25(actual rate of fire)


That work for you? The FAQ explains it much better, I think.








XaverriJade7 is correct in the calculations, though using a different method than the normal formula, but the delay for Concealshot is off. Concealshot does 2.5x damage, but it has a delay of 3.0. Headshot3 has a 3.0x damage modifier, but a delay of 2.0. So let us recalculate and compare:


Actual Speed = Weaponspeed * SpecialDelay * (1 - (Speedmod * .01))


ConcealshotSpeed = 4.5 * 3.0 * (1 - (80 * .01)) = 4.5 * 3.0 * .20 = 2.7


Headshot3 Speed = 4.5 * 2.0 * .20 = 1.8.


Since Headshot does 3.0 damage to a targeted pool and does it at 1.8 seconds per shot where as Concealshot does .5x less damage per shot and tales nearly a second per shot longer and does it to random pool, it will take longer to kill it with Concealshot than with Headshot. The difference, however, will be that for targets you cannot kill before they aggro on you, Concealshot allows you to kill things that would be unsafe to kill with Headshot.




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