Rifleman Archive

"So let me see if I read this correctly. I am not to assume that the dev's will fix this when they have said so."

The Developers have outlined no timeframe for the implementation of any fix to this issue. The only countermanding authority is your continuing, embarassing insistence, which can only lead me to believe you can read their minds. That's amazing.

"But instead use this bug as a catalyst to get one of our weapons buffed."

If you'll look at the screenshot provided earlier in this thread, the 2.5x modifier is irrelevant -- even without it, the attack would have easily qualified as a one-hit kill.

I am using the outstanding damage that Commandoes and Bounty Hunters can now do with or without the melee modifier to push for the empowerment of Riflemen to the level of mediocrity.

"So what happends when it does get changed? Does the T21 get nerfed again?"

No, because you have taken the opportunity to fabricate an argumentative foundation which was never there. You have imputed your own mistaken, irrational assumptions upon the desire for a T21 fix. There can be only one explanation for your apparent willingness to consider the arguments of others as exclusively motivated by self-interest, that being that self interest is the only motivating factor behind your opinions.

"Did you think for one secound on how the improved damage would not just effect the professions using Heavy Weapons, but every profession in the game?"

Yes, people might actually be killed by Riflemen. An end to target practice. My God, the Bounty Hunters accustomed to an insta-kill on every Rifleman sighting might occasionally die to their quarry. The Commandoes who incinerate everything within melee range might sometimes be killed by the Rifleman before entering melee range when charging from a distance of 70 meters. That would be just horrible. In fact, let's remove Rifles altogether, because apparently we never considered the deleterious effect Rifles could have on other classes.

"Did you consider at all the history of changes to our profession?"

'Our' profession? You have made it sufficiently evident through your assumptions on motive exactly where your own loyalties lie.

"Do you not pay attention and know that every single improvement has also brought a nerf to our profession?"

'Every single improvement'? You mean the one damage boost the T21 experienced? Yes, what an outstanding record. You have taken Rifleman weakness as a self-fulfilling prophecy, ensured perpetually through your own misconceptions.

"Of course you didnt because you are trying to use the situation to get something you want, that is Spin."

No, you have outlined preposterous arguments unsupported by numerical or even circumstancial fact, you have generalized one temporary improvement to the T21 as 'every single improvement'; you have assumed that the Developers are doing something they have not stated that they are doing, and have then upbraided others for lacking your apparent telepathic genius; and then you have the indecency to lecture others on their blatant disregard of fact in favor of 'spin'. Unbelievable.

"You can tap dance around it, play this hypothetical game, but the fact of the matter is you are trying to use the situation as a way to get more power."

The fact is that I am using the weakness of the Rifleman class as a way to militate for improvements on the Rifleman class. Your sole substantial counterargument has been that you can read minds, supplemented by the innate understanding that a vast right-wing Rifleman conspiracy has formed to undermine the dual hegemony of the Commando and Rifleman with the nefarious intention to wrap themselves in the bloody garments of the defrocked royalty. If your only rational is degrading others' integrity without a shred of evidence other than your amazing assortment of improbably assumptions, then you, quite simply, have nothing to say.

"So we are to assume that you actually have a clue about what you are talking about when you make a absolutely retarded statement like that?"

"Retarded"? You, sir, are a complete and utter moron. Look at the bloody numbers on the T21. Within a 4 point deviation from its ideal range it loses SEVENTY accuracy meaning, for all intents and purposes, its effective range is over. I am amazed to no end that a man with your mental capacity is actually literate -- or at least capable of recycling the same preposterous garbage without thought or understanding.

"How do you actually expect Master Rifleman to buy off on that? How about you do yourself a big favor and lay off the sleeping pills because it is effecting your judgement in a very bad way. That was the lamest attempt in trying to justify a increase in damage for the T21 I have seen to date."

Oh, so you have neither numbers nor the slightest comprehension of the subject at hand, but, of course, you are eminently qualified to immediately discount all counter arguments as "lame".

So, let's see. My arguments are invalid because they are "lame" and "retarded". In other words, because you disagree and do not have the intelligence to form a cogent counterargument, my points are self-evidently "retarded", and I am apparently "lame", or "lamely retarded", or something else of the sort.

"Need I say more? You prove my point exactly. You want the bug changed like every other Rifleman, but you want to piggyback that change with increased damage to the T21. "

Umm, no, Mr. Jackass, I want the bug removed, and the upgrade to the T21 made on grounds that have nothing to do with the 2.5x modifier, as even discounting it, we are inferior. What you have done is assume the change will be made, presumably through telepathy, and then assume this bug constitutes the sole basis for a T21 improvement, and then assume I am a self-interested hypocrite through the motives you have fabricated and then ascribed to my position with an unparalleled display of idiocy. What a masterful display of cogent argumentation! How fantastically you have made a fool of yourself!

"They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. You say out of one side of your mouth "they will never fix it so we need more damage", then out the other side you say "well even if they do, we need to do more damage". Nice Spin, nice spin indeed."

Mental Midget :the imbecile who strides onto a forum claiming to read Developers' minds, understand the T21 without looking at its range modifiers, establish an equivalence between "one improvement" and "every improvement", and who then proceeds to invent motives that conflict with an argument and laugh at the argument for being so "lame" and "retarded".

Good Lord, you really are a singularly stupid fellow . . .

this is **edit**ing gay

today i got one shotted (2000+ damage) by a BH and his lightning cannon

but the devs get uncomftrable when rifles do high damage?

right

and we're the ones with the crap accuracy and huge HAM costs and extra melee damage

I'm not quite sure why it's unreasonable to provisionally expect the melee damage class of the flamethrower and LLC to be removed. The people who are looking for riflemen boosts don't seem to have many compunctions about stating the 3s delay cap in rifles as being set in stone. Both statements were actually made in the same post.

Also, the 4m variation leading to sudden inaccuracy with the T-21 is only in one direction. Having numerical evidence is good, but deliberately couching the data to fit your agenda is not so good. The laser rifle also suffers from this issue, but the side effect is that there is a wide range where the accuracy is pretty good.

I don't think it's reasonable to state that because commandos and BHs are able to do lots of damage, riflemen should be able to do lots of damage. The game isn't composed of solely commandos, BHs and riflemen. Furthermore, the damage done by LLC and FT using autofire is rather less than what a rifleman can do. The specials are limited to melee range, and while arguably the specials are overpowered, that doesn't imply that riflemen should similarly be overpowered.

Again, I don't see why it's necessary to attack the person making the argument. Belittling the individual does not strengthen your argument. I'm curious why Krupskaya seems to feel that it's necessary to do so in many of his posts. Please stick to the subject. A good argument made by a cadre of monkeys randomly typing keys on a keyboard is still a good argument.

Nor is this about 'loyalties'; my goals, and I think our goals, should revolve around balancing the game, not making 'our' class better at whatever cost. It seems disturbing that because Silverlobo doesn't agree with every suggestion to improve the class, he is perceived somehow as a traitor. This is not a very constructive perspective.

Finally, not all riflemen seem to share your experiences. I do pretty well against people running around with LLCs and flamethrowers. I do pretty well against most other specs that I run into. The spec which gives me trouble is the pistoleer/BH pistol 4, which is because the modifiers stack between the two classes. Riflemen at master has the best ranged AE DPS in the game while their mind pool holds up. I'm still confused as what the problem is. Our disadvantages seem to be pretty much inline with our advantages at master skill.