Rifleman Archive

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KundoJet wrote:

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Ackehece wrote:

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Kona_Combine wrote:

Well my other post in this thread got deleted, how lame.

Here's an idea, equip a rifle untilyouclose into Pistol range, since all the new Rifles are based on LvL and not Rifleman tree boxes. No need to nerf the Rifleman class, we have already lost a lot in the CU.

I dont understand why we lost our AoE Shots, hello! Rifleman, rapid fire weapons.

Any chance on us getting an AoE attack added back to our profession, Corrispondent?

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nope T_T

AOEs are not our province anymore (I fought this for 6 months- bascially not going to happen)

as for equipng pistols when we lose rifle range

• master level weapon > cross cert'd weapons


• this means we are nerfed in damage


• and in speed and accuracy (using generic mods vs rifle + generic)


• this means also that when we enter POI locations and content locations that we will always be underpowered to those around us


• we also can not use cover effectively in small rooms etc so our nuke without return fire is nerf'd


• basically we can no longer fight indoors at all
  

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If they go ahead with making rifles only work at ranges of greater than 25m, then you're right. But surely they see that's just plain silly? Less effective, yes. (They are, it's a fact, no point arguing it). But useless? Of course not. Make it harder to hit, or something that has some bearing on reality. But how could they possibly rationalize arifle not being able to fire at all unless its target is more than x distance away? The energy bolt needs a running start? O.o

Too many things in the CU to date seem to defy rational explanation, and that's a concern for me both because it means they weren't all that well thought out in the first place, and because they are counter-immersive (immersion being one of the key goals of any RPG - and I ain't talkin' Rocket Propelled Grenade...).

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Kippos wrote:
I think rifleman tmeplates wouldn't be overpowered if people knew how to play against them. At the moment every melee player I duel just runs straight me, and I win 90% of those fights just by cycling KD/snare/root. Carbineers and pistoleers just stand in front of me, trying to outdamage me. If those kinds of tactics are supposed to be competitive against riflemen, then sure, riflemen are overpowered.

If, however, the new combat system is supposed to make different combat proffessions use different tactics, then a nerf isn't called for. For example,I already spend ALL my action taking down a full melee templater, and against CMs my health usually runs out 10-30 sec after the duel has ended, due to the DoTs. What if the melee folks used cover to get to me? What if CMs laid in their DoTs and ducked behind a corner to heal while my health drops from fire/poison? wouldn't necessarily mean I'd lose every time, but I'd be forced to counter their tactics.

Action and reaction, different combat roles....that's what the new combat system is supposed to be about, not going straight at your opponent to get it over with.

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QFE

Right on the money IMHO

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Nekra wrote:

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Kippos wrote:
I think rifleman tmeplates wouldn't be overpowered if people knew how to play against them. At the moment every melee player I duel just runs straight me, and I win 90% of those fights just by cycling KD/snare/root. Carbineers and pistoleers just stand in front of me, trying to outdamage me. If those kinds of tactics are supposed to be competitive against riflemen, then sure, riflemen are overpowered.

If, however, the new combat system is supposed to make different combat proffessions use different tactics, then a nerf isn't called for. For example,I already spend ALL my action taking down a full melee templater, and against CMs my health usually runs out 10-30 sec after the duel has ended, due to the DoTs. What if the melee folks used cover to get to me? What if CMs laid in their DoTs and ducked behind a corner to heal while my health drops from fire/poison? wouldn't necessarily mean I'd lose every time, but I'd be forced to counter their tactics.

Action and reaction, different combat roles....that's what the new combat system is supposed to be about, not going straight at your opponent to get it over with.

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QFE

Right on the money IMHO

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akjedimaster wrote:

Well, I like the PvE implications. It will give us a role; we can just go prone and fire away. In PvP, it's not so easy. Sure you can send the tanker up to the melee, but they can run right past to you and ouch... maybe that only works with jedi though. I suppose if you can get em kd and in place.. but jedi are pretty much imune to that... /sigh

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I did a full ranged template using master rifleman, master pistoleer, master marksman, and 3440 carbineer. Out of that I devised a little combo using the dive shot to help setup a sniper shot. In a PVP environment, outnumber 4 to one with chicken walkers I exacuted this combo and took my target down to half his life. Used stopping shot to root him on the spot so he couldn't run away. I KD him right after with charge shot to prevent any return fire. Did the roll shot to go prone and hit advanced sniper shot. His health dropped from almost full to half life. I was in mid kip up shot comming out of the prone position when the rest of that poor imps buddies nuked me off the face of tatooines surface

The point, the CU is geared around the assumption that players will make the most advantagous combat template for their playing style. A simgle combat profession alone cannot survive and is unbalanced in the CU system. However most combat templates are almost equally balanced due to their versatility of shots.

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HavocMalic wrote:

Barbarians will never survive the new age of guns - history tells us so

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TheLastV8 wrote:
Its totaly unbalaced.

They want a more fast paced game and they make the damage dealers have to go prone to use any good specials.

Not only very difficult in pvp but makes PvE impossible

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LOL, let me tell you about the going prone thing.I have done very little PVP, PVE, using prone, was my main cred maker. So I at once learned a very good lesson. KEEP MOVING, if you go prone some person will spot you, Root you ( that sounds bad dosen't ) and along with several others keep you pined there till one walks up to your incapped body and db's you while explaining the finer pointsof combat or the weather! After recloning 4 times and to through the little retiual we have to do to get in the fight, this reb explained it to my while I was incapped. SImply stated, KEEP MOVING the prone is good for missions and PVE ONLY. On the battle field you better be moving all over the place... Stopping to take a shot then at once moving again...

I watched from the "on leave" sidelines last night at TC AH IMP base. The experts of PVP on both sides were jumping and darting about... stoping for one step to fire... Getting a bead drawn on you will get you borked by, it seemed, every REB there.

Everyone was in good sprits, no slam talk, or crazy stuff.. In fact we all ended up in AH, in a situation where NO red was showing on the other side.. so the PVP guys dueled while the rest of us watched... it was great. Time for this battle alone was about 40 min. That sure is longer then battles I have seen on the real servers. Anyway, my first attempts at PVP were junk but I guess you have to start somewhere.
It was fun.

Message Edited by NithSano on 04-26-2005 07:15 AM

Message Edited by NithSano on 04-26-2005 07:18 AM