Rifleman Archive

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Thunderheart wrote:

I'd heard that there were a few people uncomfortable with klawlegna's choice to represent the riflemen, so I thought I'd stop by and talk a little bit about how and why.

First off, I reviewed all of the correspondent letters I recieved and out of all the messages I recieved, klaw's was the most respectful, the most inciteful and the one that expressed the most concern for the Rifleman community. I chose klaw because he represented a strong knowledge of the material and a desire to improve the profession and to work with the riflemen and make the profession more fun and more in line with what your desires are.

I waited as long as I could and reviewed all of the applicants and klawlegna really stood out as someone who had the profession's best interests in mind. Please give him a chance. I know the transition is always tough, but Im sure you folks will work with your correspondent to come up with great questions and issues for the profession.

As it stands, today is the day for internal Top 5 review, so please get klawlegna your top 5 issues and lets get things moving in a direction that will make you more satisfied with your chosen profession.

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As a Master Rifleman since August and a person who lurks on these boards its a sad day when someone who doesnt particpate in this forum is named its leader.

Basically we the people of the Rifleman board who post (i dont include myself here) are all correspondants. THink about it. How many Rifleman who play this game even come here. Lets say 20 % of those in the game come here. Actually that number may be high but anyway the point is we the people of the RIfleman forum represent the thousands who do not even come here.

Thus the leader of the forum needs to be someone who has been here and has CONTRIBUTED to the forum. I dont care how nice and polite their post was i care about them knowing about the profession and being here. This new guy was not here and has no respect from the people here. He will have to earn it, but lets be honest he better show his skill off right away because if he doesnt he is screwed here.

I have nothing against the new guy and i dont know the other people here who are the kingpins but it makes no sense to me to get a correspondant on ANY FORUM who has contibuted ZERO to it.

Hey new guy, you better kick ass because if you dont your dead here. Well possibly.

And hey you other correspondants from other forums who came into this thread who also possibly got their job the same way: Butt out. I dont see Rifleman as a skill you may posess and this is an internal problem.

How are there so many bitter people in the Rifleman profession? All this self proclaimed misery in the Rifleman threads seem to be unfounded to me. WE don't really have any better or worse situation than many other professions. Get a grip guys - is this vital to your life? Are you already out of patience? Go do something else for a while and come back to Rifleman if it makes you so insane.

As for the correspondent - Thanks for taking on this task and keep it moving.

BTW, it's usually better to speak calmly, softly and intelligently than to scream and be a nuisance if you want to get something done. I think Thunderheart knows that.

WHATEVER your issues are... GET OVER IT AND BE CONSTRUCTIVE.

My 2 cents.

I am slowly working up to become a masater rifleman. Its tough. I am not an active poster on these boards because i do see a lot of negative stuff. I dohowever read them quite often. I choose not to comment on lots ofthings because i may not feel i have anything to add. Or i may not kowenough about the topic being discussed.

Hey K Welcome man. I may start becoming more active. You are in for a ride by the look of some of these posts. I for one am willing to give you a chance.

Volsted - Im not a rifleman butI think you have a great point.

Another black mark on SoE's ledger.

/shakes his head

Hokee Pete. Listen I'll be the last to throw stones as I rarely post in the Rifleman Forums. It's a little on the hot side for my taste. But VG's posts have been awesome. I actually printed out the power fishing guide for myself and my wife.

With all due respect to Klawlenga I have to wonder what possibly could have given VG the black mark that caused him to be overlooked as the Rifleman Coorespondent.

My two creds.......

VG was black listed in the 50's.

Back then the cold war was big and we needed to make people feel protected and watched. Ya we had everyone marked as a pinko then John Wayne, Lucial Ball, the 3 stooges, ahh it was a great time for us clandestine agents of the Evil Cabal. Now all we do is eat cheetos and spike the water supply with LSD.

No wonder you guys didn't get chosen for the coorespondent job. TH wants people who will work WITH him. He doesn't want people who are going to jump to consipiracy theories, accusations, and tantrums like you guys have.

I'm sure Thunderheart is sitting back in his chair right now thinking, "I defnitely made the right decision. I am SURE glad I didn't choose those guys!"

Dont you mean "insightful"? "Inciteful" I dont think is a word and incite/inciting has a negative connotation.

What you must remember is that this person is not chosen by us or for us. This person is simply a filter for SOE, so they are going to choose the person thatSOE think will work best for them.

In this role an enthusiast with good communication skills will be chosen over any degree of knowledge of the issues. The person is a filter for our vents, ideas, and suggestions and to act as the messenger of bad news. In this role I think they may have chosen well.

This, of course, is not what we want but then it has never been about what we want. We are being "handled" here and lip service will be paid in full.

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Jenta wrote:

How are there so many bitter people in the Rifleman profession? All this self proclaimed misery in the Rifleman threads seem to be unfounded to me. WE don't really have any better or worse situation than many other professions. Get a grip guys - is this vital to your life? Are you already out of patience? Go do something else for a while and come back to Rifleman if it makes you so insane.

As for the correspondent - Thanks for taking on this task and keep it moving.

BTW, it's usually better to speak calmly, softly and intelligently than to scream and be a nuisance if you want to get something done. I think Thunderheart knows that.

WHATEVER your issues are... GET OVER IT AND BE CONSTRUCTIVE.

My 2 cents.

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Oh I love posts like these. It's like telling people that are starving to get over it and feed themselves.

You can be as constructive as you want, but if no one is taking any notice it's not going to make any difference at all.

We HAVE been pointing out the warping bug; we HAVE explained when it happens, hell we even pointed out that it was introduced in the first large patch to combat people exploiting. We HAVE submitted our issues again and again, but often these didn't even warrant a real answer.

It gets rather annoying having people criticise the people that post here for not being constructive or working with our correspondent when that has had HARDLY ANY EFFECT FOR THE LAST 3 MONTHS. We worked just fine with AA and thatgot us ignored for the most part. I know it's great to be able to have an easy flame at people but please do try to know something about the situation before you hit that submit post button.

If you would bother to read the state of the professions thread I have already posted my top 5 issues for this month, I also helped in a small part creating the current styles table that was posted by Wayne, how on earth is this not constructive?

I simply have a problem with someone who has not participated much on this forum being chosen to represent the profession, as do many other riflemen it seems. I'm already "working" with him to improve the profession, but that does not mean I'll just blindly accept that everything SOE does is great and wonderful, these forums wouldbe a great deal worse off in my opinion if everyone did.

*sigh*

Sure, many of you won't recognize me and think I'm butting in, but the truth is I read this board a lot more than I post. So, as to my credentials

• I am not a correspondent for SWG, nor do I ever expect to become one.


• I have submitted a decent round dozen bug reports and followed them up with posts or emails to the appropriate dev here with my analysis of what the issue is and how it might be addressed.


• I was the scout team lead for DAoC from the inception of that program at Mythic (second TL picked) until about a month after Mackey took over the program (a total of nearly three years of service as a TL). At that point I left voluntarily and amicably due to differences of opinion that I knew weren't going to go away and would make both our jobs much harder.


• I was also somewhat instrumental in the organization of the Professional's program for AO though I never directly participated in that program. Basically I had several long conversations with CZ about how the TL program worked at Mythic, its strengths and weaknesses, and what it offered to the developers. We also talked about ways to keep those strengths while minimizing the weaknesses, and avoid some of the reccurent issues that the TL program in DAoC has.

I submit that to you, so that you'll understand that I know how these player-advisor programs work from the inside, while not claiming first hand knowledge of this particular correspondent program.

Now, what the devs are looking for is to select some individual to advise them on how a class actually plays as opposed to how they think the class plays. They also want someone who can make informed comments on proposals brought by the other correspondents so that the correspondents as a group can do a lot of the "is this balanced" discussion about a suggestion before submitting it to the developers. They also want someone who is able to remain rational and polite, as more gets accomplished that way.

So, how is a new correspondent picked from my experience in the DAoC team lead program. Generally, after a correspondent steps down, those who want the position will nominate themselves, or they may specifically ask for recommendations. That initial letter is analyzed for the qualities mentioned above, the devsmay ask for more information, and they look at previous posts by the individual. Usually the outgoing correspondent and other correspondents will offer their opinions and nominations as well.

Yes, that system is not perfect, and yes, sometimes very good people can be overlooked or missed in that process. And yes, sometimes the person selected isn't very well known on one particular set of boards (which should happen less frequently for SWG and AO than for DAoC because of the existence of official boards).

So... what am I really saying here? The developers made a choice, lets see how he does. We can always express our discontent with his selection, but that will only be listened to if we can cite examples of where he's letting us down; at this point I don't see that we have any examples of that. If, however, he does the job of bringing our concerns to the developers attention, as I expect he will, then we really have nothing we can complain about in regards to his performance. Arguing that he isn't being listened to or that changes aren't being made as soon as we'd like, however, will not be any reflection on him but on the developers in charge of class adjustmentsand their choice of priorities.