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Thread: Rifleman Review (compared to snipers)

TheWastrel
Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:10 pm
#40

"I disagree with most people saying that rifles should have longer range, because in real life, if two guns use the same bullet, range is identical."



Huh? I'm not a ballistic physics expert, but the reason a rifle is called a "rifle" is because the barrel is "rifled". Sounds silly, I know. But what this means is that the inside of a rifle barrel is different than a handgun's. It has a sort of spiraling pattern in it that causes the bullet to spin, which causes the bullet to travel in a parabola towards a target, which is why rifles are considerd "zeroed" at two ranges-say 25 and 250m for example.


And beyond that, the whole idea that two different guns can fire the same round is silly.



Then again, these are supposed to be energy weapons...BUT a reasonably analog obviously has to be found because the devs saw fit to include these varieties of weapons in the game.

TheWastrel
Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:21 am
#41

Okay, forgot that most modern firearms have rifled barrels, but the length of the barrel on the rifle increases the effect. The bullet leaves the barrel and travels first upward, then downward, which maximizes range.



Rifles also have buffer assemblies that reduce blowback. This, I think, should increase range as well as accuracy.

ChatoSul
Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:55 pm
#42

well, the 7.62 NATO round is used in a huge variety of weapons, from various assault rifles to sniper rifles like the PSG-1 (used mianly by SWAT teams)
TakO_Paleae
Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:49 pm
#43

dont know if this has already been posted but...


what about specialized weapons such as a rifle with


long range, moderate damage,moderate speed


moderate rage, large damage, slow speed


or acurate, large damage slow speed


just afew off the top of my head, but this would put a new gun in each of the teirs, and it would over power the class (i think).


just another idea






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TakO_Paleae
Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:50 pm
#44

err... would NOT over power....



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TheWastrel
Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:37 am
#45

Yes.
gwoodruf
Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:11 pm
#46

I though the mussle speed of a rifle was a lot better than a hand gun, becuase increased length of the barrel gave the expanding explosion more time to push against and accelerate the bullet? No?
ChatoSul
Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:47 pm
#47

bump

Kona_Combine
Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:35 pm
#48

Just a few things I would like too correct, like umm the posters miss-information on pistols.


You say you know someone who shot the head of a Snake at 60 METERS? Well I call bullcrap on that, there is no way someone shot a snake at 60meters with a pistol, for 1 how would he see it? I wouldnt believe your story if it was 25meters or even 20meters. Your talking about a 1-2inch target with a pistol at a distance of just over half a football field in length HAHAHAHA. Just too let you know, the test for carring a Concealed Weapon in most States is 3-15 yards, anything passed 15yards with a pistol is unlikely too hit its target (I know this because I have a TexasCHL). I wont even get into the running and shooting with a pistol LOL. And yes someone running and shooting with a Rifle is still accurate enough too kill, in boot camp on the combat training courses you learn too fire from the hip in most branches.


Another thing too think about that is lacking in this game is, what weapon actually has the fastest rate of fire? Rifle or Pistol?


Which Weapons has more Rounds? Rifle or Pistol?


Which is the standard for Military Forces? Rifle or Pistol?


Which has the Greatest Accuracy and Range? Rifle or Pistol?


Of course this is Real Life and we are talking about a game where we are shooting energy bolts at each other. Only in a Fantasy world could they turn Reality upside down and backwards and then claim too have a combat system as close too RL as possible.




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ChatoSul
Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:10 pm
#49

I understand your disbelief about the story, but I was there. This guy was one darn good shot, and have you ever seen a moccasin snake or lived in Florida? Well, in my neighborhood most yards have low-cut grass, and a moccassin kinda sticks out like a sore thumb in low grass. Back in the swamp its hard as hell to spot em though, hehe. And this guy hit the snake in the neck (moccasins have flat heads, so their necks are wide as hell). And also, so what if the concealed weapons license test is at 15m, Marine officers get weapon familiarization with every single used weapon, and trust me they shoot at more than 15 meters for the pistol range. Theres a subtle difference between a Texan with a gun and a Marine, lol.
WayneInAustin
Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:19 pm
#50

I'm Texan and I resent that. I don't deny it... I just resent it!




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ChatoSul
Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:30 pm
#51

hehe, i didn't mean to be all aggresive, us Floridians are just the same as you Texans, except with a little more old age and a little more insanity.
SRTSniper
Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:06 pm
#52

"Just too let you know, the test for carring a Concealed Weapon in most States is 3-15 yards, anything passed 15yards with a pistol is unlikely too hit its target (I know this because I have a TexasCHL)."


What are we talking about here, hitting a man sized target or calling an eyeball shot? An eyeball shot further than 15m, not likely (at least not on purpose). To hit a human sized target, absolutely. The Army (and I'm sure the Marines as well) start some of their pistol ranges as far out as 60 yards. If you couldn't hit anything beyond 15m then there would be a lot of unqualified troops running around.


"Another thing too think about that is lacking in this game is, what weapon actually has the fastest rate of fire? Rifle or Pistol? Which Weapons has more Rounds? Rifle or Pistol?"


Need more information, I could think of several types of pistols that have a faster rate of then and hold more rounds than some types of rifles.


So the Texas concealed weapon permit qualification is only at 15m. Kind of disappointed, though everyone in Texas could shoot real good like..........................y'all.




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