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Just for the sake of argument, I'll throw in my 2 cents about how the DLT20a is more useful then the Laser Rifle when soloing. Keep in mind that this is from the PoV of a 2 0 2 1 Rifleman, so I don't fire my Laser Rifle every second (why would you grind for rifle exp when you're a master anyway?).

Laser Rifle burns more Mind (quite a bit more, for that matter) and fires slower. Also, the damage isn't reliable.

DLT20a burns less Mind, fires faster, has much more reliable damage, but doesn't hit very hard.

Now, the key to mass-accumulating rifle exp witha DLT20a is to utilize the cheap, fast shots it has to kite multiple enemies at once. With my DLT20aand a couple of decent sized greater whomp rat lairs (any other non-bring-a-friend monsters will work too) I can kite the entire lair(s) for a decent amount of exp (1,800 rifle exp * how many rats the camp had). With my Laser Rifle I can kite multiple whomp rats, but it's much slower (unreliable damage/HAM costs) and much more risky.

Granted, a decent E11 or Jawa Ion would also work. Also, if you have a nice T21 then you can useit to spank a big ole' bleed or two on your baddies (from prone, so they don't aggro immediatly) and follow up with a Warning Shot from your DLT20a.

hello all

I am new to the rifle , but let me tell you i got a supped up DLT20a i had it sliced and damage is 138-258 with this rifle it has taken me a little less than 2 hours of grinding to make top rung of the rifle ladder in marksman , i was extremely impressed with it i still use it , i also have a sliced laser rifle that has 55-524 damage but do not use it as much ham costs for me are really high for this weapon so i stick with DLT20a .

I am also a pistoleer so i get a grin when i see a one shot kill for 2300 points , as opposed to the 550 points a shot.

hopefully i will be a force to reckon with when i master them both .

I still fail to see ANY reason to switch from a good laser rifle to a good dlt20.

Sure you burn your HAM less fast, but your damage decreases by about the same amount, so you end up using about the same HAM but taking twice the time to kill your target.

Lets look at number on thes best weapons I found on Starsider, pre slice:

dlt20 116-185 mind cost 25 AP0

laser rifle 29-378 mind cost 58 AP2

Even on an AR0 enemy, where the laser rifle AP advantage is the smallest compared to a dlt20, the dlt20 will do 150dmg avg for 25 base mind cost ((116+185)/2=150)

Using the laser rifle and after the 56% bonus AP to AR0, your avg damage will be 318 for a mind cost of 58 base. ((29+378)/2*1.25*1.25=318)

So basically using that laser rifles over that dlt20, you will indeed use 232% of the mind, but you will do 212% of the damage. The advantage of the dlt20 against the laser rifle over AR0 is very very slight and the laser rifle gets infinitelybetter against AR1. Additionally, using the laser rifleyou willkill your target a little over twice faster than using the dlt20 so they have half the time to inflict damage on you.

Personally, as a master rifleman, I prefer to hit my target for 318dmg every second for a cost of 58 mind than to artificially lower the mind drain by damaging it for 150dmg every second with a HAM cost of 25. I seriously have yet to see a situation that would really warrant me using a dlt20.

However, I am thinking about the jawa ion because of its stun type dmg...

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eq_mind_wipe wrote:

Socialconformer:

The E11 you have is not very good. You're comparing afully experimented DLT 20 made by a master smith with an E11 that seems like an experiment gone bad.

I only have tech 4 of the weaponsmith tree and Ican make a 210 damage E11 (after slicing).Master weaponsmiths canpush this to 250+.

Your talking apples and oranges here. Before you can compare the two guns you first need to obatin an E11 which has been experimented to the degree that your DLT20 has. Your agument is not valid because you are using a gimped E11 and a top-notch DLT20.

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You're telling *ME* the E11 is bad? I know it is, but I made a mistake with its stats, that is pre-slice (the name reflectedthe original numbers, I pulled from the wrong source). It was sliced for a whoping 12% (damage). Through some math I have found that the dlt also went through a small slice, around 14%.

Thing about the E11 is that it came from one of the more renowned weaponsmiths on the server, even if it was a while ago, so I trusted that is as good as that master weaponsmith could get.

It's not apples and oranges when you are comparing the bestavailable of oneweapon with the best of another. I will look to see if better E11s have shown up though, but my point about the dlt20a was about it's reliability. I *still* use it when a laser rifle bleed goes bad because I can count on an acceptable number. The E11, I haven't been sold on and my harvesters are pulling too many credits out of my pocket for me to worry about getting a series of E11s and trying to get the perfect slice.

I wasn't intending to bad mouth the E11 rifle, as I can tell it has some potential, I was talking about my personal arsenal, and how *I* use weapons. If you will note, I did say that if I were to find an E11 rifle worth its salt, it would be my primary weapon. I might even chuck the laser to the side if it's good enough.

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Artisan 3/0/0/4          Scout 4/0/4/2


Brawler 4/0/0/0         Smuggler 1/0/1/0


Marksman 4/4/0/4      Rifleman 4/1/3/3

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Gavin4 wrote:
Out of interest what races are you guys with the mind pool problems?

I'm still a fairly lowbie Rifleman mainly using a post-nerf T21, Laser, SG82 and I mainly PvE.
I've given up on HS3 because as far as I can tell it does the same damage as HS2, misses twice as often and eats 3x the mind pool. I'll pass kthx!

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