Rifleman Archive

oh and there is such thing in the real world as armor piercing bullets and I do believe they are very high calibur so even can be used in a rifle and high calibur pistols.

I agree sharpshooter the barrett sniper rifle has good AP abilities. But not the best I'd give that title(of best hehehe)to the 120 mm smooth bores on the M1 tank or the 30 mm cannon in the A-10 warthog both both weapons act in the same manner as a rifle round. The only contradiction i would have are rocketswith shapecharges to punch thru armor but all in all what you said is true. Soimhorifles should have much better AP than pistols and carbines. I'm a commando and have no problem with the AP on the T21 staying at 3. Just give the Commando Heavies AP 4. Problem solved we can ll be friend again. And to the fella wondering what brought the commando invasion to your boards, there's a link to this post over on the commando board and chances are the guy who said commando HW don't consider armor rating probably ticked some of the boys off. I thought I come over and "Say heya guys how's it going? Sorry to hear about the T21."

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Sharpshoota wrote:
actully, a sniper rifle has the best ap in the military, not rockets, Sniper bullets have one small target that all its power goes into, while rocks have a big impact on a wide range. not saying a sniper could take out a tank but ya know lol

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The sniper rifle is not the best AP weapon the military has. Granted a .50 AP round MAY penetrate the armor of some OLDER model APC's but don't even think about it against an MBT (Main Battle Tank). As was pointed out. It seems people are confusing the issue between armor types. There are two types : body and vehicle. Against body armor a small arms (yes, even the Barrett .50 is a small arm) are better since they are more accurate. Against vehicle armor you need heavy weapons such as a shaped charge rocket. The shaped charge does not have an impact over a wide range. A shaped charge is designed to focus the blast onto a small area. A super-heated jet of gas burns thru the armor and into the interior of the vehicle. That is how a shaped charge works and is a similiar concept to a sabot round in a way.

The fix then would be that no body armor in the game could be more than 1 or 2 at the most. Vehicle would be 2 or 3. Small arms would be capped to AP 2 and heavy weapons would be for the rest. This would ensure that small arms would be effective against what they are suppose to be. People. While heavy weapons are best against larger armored targets.

there are some Sniper Riffles designed to penetrate the armor of a Tank and kill the drivers that special forces use... if they work I have no idea but I like the history channel..

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ReblSoldier wrote:

there are some Sniper Riffles designed to penetrate the armor of a Tank and kill the drivers that special forces use... if they work I have no idea but I like the history channel..

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Could be wrong but you are probably refering to the old anti-tank rifles that were used at the begining of WWII. By the end of the war the bazooka, PIAT, Panzerfaust, Panzershrek were being used. They have one on display at the Imperial War Museum in London. If it was modern I'd be interested in knowing about it. The ballistics for a modern bullet just aren't there to penetrate modern vehicle armor. I have heard of them trying to use large caliber weapons to kill exposed crew member or the driver thru the drivers slit. The last isn't very practical especially if the tank is moving. I've also heard of LASERs being used to blind drivers and take them out that way. Not lethal but just as iffective if they are blinded.

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Zarl0k wrote:
Xuctost, you are an idiot. Commandos have weapons that IGNORE ARMR ALL TOGTHER. This currently makes them BETTER at killing high armored mobs because those high armored mobs almost always have better than 75% resist vs energy.

I'm simply amazed at how stupid commandos and BHs are in this game.

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Ummm...yeah, how many high-level creatures are vulnerable to BLAST? There are not very many creatures in the whole game that are even vulnerable to Blast damage. (most creatures have some resistance to it and with Energy, Kinetic, and Restraint)

And most high-level creatures have protection against Heat, Cold, Electric, or Acid, if they even have a vulnerability to any of those 4 "elemental" damage types.

So your statement that Commandos have weapons that ignore all armor is totally false. perhaps YOU should learn how armor actually works.

mmmhmmmm... yesterday was great, why oh why did they knock it down to light ap and make it faster... give me back the t21 i had yesterday!! >_<

I'm with Drakeal on this one as well.

Novice Commando - The Terror of the Tusken Camp

Lol ok Zar. I have recently fought about 8 or so AT-ST's with my Commando "heavy" weapons. Since my special commando launcher pistol just ignores all meaning of armor rating like you said i should do about the same amount ofdamage i do to mobs with no armor. Like near 1k or 1400 dmg per fan shot with it. But instead when i shot at all these at-st's during our guild raid i hit for a maximum of 57. A whopping 57 points of dmg.

AndwhenI decided to whip out myheavy acid rifle and use acid single 1 on it. I did a nice24 points of dmg. By the way the AT-ST has Heavy armor 100% to stun and 70% to all other areas incase you didn't know. It would be a sad thing if Riflemanhad a AP 3 weapon. I am glad they changed that. Hopefully they will make commando's more like.....commando's in general.

Okay, I won't defend all of the namecalling, but let me just say this to the Commandos (who I do feel for).

Are you essentially saying that since YOUR character class is still broken, they should break everyone elses' as well until they can fix you guys? If so, I'm also a Squad Leader, so I'd appreciate it if everyone's specials failed 75% of the time for now.

It's ONE GUN that has AP3, and should. It's a friggin' CANNON. The Commando weaponry should also have AP3 and be able to pump rounds at different rates with different types of damage. That will be your advantage. Don't nerf US because you are still not FIXED. Trying to balance broken Professions with working ones just breaks all of the other Professions.

zarlok, I'm obviously a moron

can you please tell me which commando weapon ignores armor...please post specific details concerning how YOU the lord of commando knowledge were able to learn that which the people actually playing the class were not

if not the **edit** plz. saying im a moron because I KNOW my weapons are broken and YOU don't play a commando but seem to know it all.

thanx in advance ~Shiz~

Well, if you want to get technical, Real world rifles don't want high AP. As anti-personel weapons, too high penetrating power causes the bullet to slip straight through the target, doing only a little penetration damage.

Rifles want lower AP so that the bullet tumbles or shatters in the body to do much higher damage. AP prevents both of these.

Anyway, the essential question is: should a Rifle, even one on a tripod mount, penetrate armor as well as a shaped charge rocket?

Real world? No, there is no rifle that can achieve that effect. Apply the confetti effect to anyone hit by a rocket. Apply the splattered head effect to anyone hit by a rifle shot. A near miss by a rocket still kills a man. A near miss by a rifle does not. Armor on a man will not stop a rocket from killing him. Armor on a man hit by a rifle can, in some cases, save the life of a man hit by a rifle bullet.

BTW, our Novice Heavy Weapon is called the "Heavy Acid Rifle". I note that the T21 is not designated "Heavy". No, I do not agree that the T21 is a cannon, when a Heavy Rifle exists. We do have weapons designated "Cannons". Those are cannons. The T21 is a rifle, no matter the size or shape.

note: there are guns in the real world that are armor piercing...