Rifleman Archive
Thread: I swear if you guys mess around and get Strafe Shot 2 nerfed....
SilverLobo said:
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Proof how all this whining about not being a "sniper" is nerfing our class. They are talking about making us go in the prone position to get any kind of accuracy. Why are they doing this? Because YOU f'n idiots that keep saying we should be snipers are giving the Devs a excuse to Nerf our profession, and the best part for them YOU ASKED FOR IT.
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Rifleman is ALREADY broken any way you put it. You can't break it MORE. The class has problems because thedevs don't understand how the majority of the people who choose it play, not because people who have experienced its problems firsthand aretrying to make it better. Do you honestly think that the entire point of Rifleman should be togrind toMaster and nothing else? That Rifleman should be as useless as it is currently until one hits Master, and that this is a GOOD thing?
So what you're saying is that 80% of the Rifleman population (non-masters) should seriously suck, whiel anyone who hits Master can actually compete. And that this should stay the way it is? Seriously, name me one other profession where the entire profession is broken as heck until you hit Master, and suddenly, you can actually do stuff. And even if you can name me another one, tell me this is good game design and it doesn't need to be fixed with a straight face.
Rifleman needs major changes all around.This professionit BROKEN. If the devs make a change and screw something up, well guess what--they've done that with every other profession already.At least theyARE making changes and trying new stuff. Whether a Rifleman is a Novice, a Master, or whatever, he deserves to play a class that can compete with other classes and have fun doing it. Currently, the only Rifleman who is any good at anything is a Master, and they are in a small, small minority right now. How does this benefit the class, and how can the majority of non-masters enjoy it?
SilverLobo said:
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It is simply amazing, I am almost speechless when it comes to what the community is doing to Rifleman. I get labled as someone who wants to gimp Rifleman, while the whiners are the ones that are actually doing it. Am I the ONLY one who is going to stand up and make himself heard, and not let these momo's destroy our profession?
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I have no problem with you stating your opinion, it's as valid as anyone else's. However, it disturbs me to see you attacking the very people who you yourself were before you hit Master and acting like THEY, the Riflemen, have caused THEMSELVES to be broken. The devs broke Rifleman long before SWG came out... I know, I've been playing a Rifleman since Beta2, and I've watched the profession get worse and worse.
Don't blame the Novice Rifleman because life sucks for him and he's trying to make it better. Support him in his profession and figure out ways to make life better for Rifleman BEFORE they hit Master, cause it sure as hell sucks now.
You miss the point completely. The Novice Rifleman are calling for changes that effect the profession in a negative way. They ask for the changes based on NO knowledge of how it effects us at Master, and how it effects us at Master to hold our own in PvP.
As for having to deal with the profession being sub par before Master, oh F'n well. First MMRPG I have ever seen that people actually rate the profession, class by anything other then its Max level.If anything the other professions should be made HARDER to level, not the other way around.
I am waiting patiently hoping that someone with a clue stops this madness and not let the Novice Riflman destroy this profession, not holding my breath though.
SilverLobo wrote:
Our titles are as follows: Sniper, Hunter, Gunner, and Soldier. Of course you moron's take one title and use that as the definition of our class. We are not a god d@mn sniper, it has been said 100 times over already.
Proof how all this whining about not being a "sniper" is nerfing our class. They are talking about making us go in the prone position to get any kind of accuracy. Why are they doing this? Because YOU f'n idiots that keep saying we should be snipers are giving the Devs a excuse to Nerf our profession, and the best part for them YOU ASKED FOR IT.
I have personally never seen a comunity do so much to Nerf their own profession, and the kicker is they are doing it because of their ignorance of the profession. They think they are going to get the devs to make them Uber, and in return the Devs are making it look like they are giving to the masses what they want but it has been a NERF every single time.
It is simply amazing, I am almost speechless when it comes to what the community is doing to Rifleman. I get labled as someone who wants to gimp Rifleman, while the whiners are the ones that are actually doing it. Am I the ONLY one who is going to stand up and make himself heard, and not let these momo's destroy our profession?
Agreed.
You dumbasses are asking for our best style too be nerfed because your not a Master Rifleman and havent used it yet. SilverLobo, I am like you, wating too see what the moronic dev team does with the information of the casual gamer crowd who dont even know how too play the game. Then we have the Pistoleers saying they arent uber. Face it this class is Screwed, and its being done by people who dont know what they are talking about.
Kona_Combine wrote:
SilverLobo wrote:
Our titles are as follows: Sniper, Hunter, Gunner, and Soldier. Of course you moron's take one title and use that as the definition of our class. We are not a god d@mn sniper, it has been said 100 times over already.
Proof how all this whining about not being a "sniper" is nerfing our class. They are talking about making us go in the prone position to get any kind of accuracy. Why are they doing this? Because YOU f'n idiots that keep saying we should be snipers are giving the Devs a excuse to Nerf our profession, and the best part for them YOU ASKED FOR IT.
I have personally never seen a comunity do so much to Nerf their own profession, and the kicker is they are doing it because of their ignorance of the profession. They think they are going to get the devs to make them Uber, and in return the Devs are making it look like they are giving to the masses what they want but it has been a NERF every single time.
It is simply amazing, I am almost speechless when it comes to what the community is doing to Rifleman. I get labled as someone who wants to gimp Rifleman, while the whiners are the ones that are actually doing it. Am I the ONLY one who is going to stand up and make himself heard, and not let these momo's destroy our profession?
Agreed.
You dumbasses are asking for our best style too be nerfed because your not a Master Rifleman and havent used it yet. SilverLobo, I am like you, wating too see what the moronic dev team does with the information of the casual gamer crowd who dont even know how too play the game. Then we have the Pistoleers saying they arent uber. Face it this class is Screwed, and its being done by people who dont know what they are talking about.
Are you kidding me? Why, just yesterday I saw silverdildo take out 3 commandos and 4 bounty hunters! Of course they were all standing on top of each other, had 1/1/1 HAM, and were engaged with a night sister elder, but don't let that fool ya!
Hayden, you already said you went pistoleer. We were (still are) the gods of PvE when combined with CH... no **edit**ing way could I kill Juvenile Canyon Krayts, and Kimo's with flat out damage (no conceal shot used) as a master pistoleer unless i was one of those jackasses that used an AT-ST.Certainly no way in hell I would have ever killed a Goraxsolo as a master pistoleer. Nowwhiners like you are getting our burst damage nerfed formind buffs, mind healing,and higher base damage..of course they're lowering our speed to 1/3rd and thus destroying our burst damage because people want the 2.5x melee damage multiplier changed.. otherwise we'd be doing so much more damage for 92 skill pointsthan anyone else it would be completely ridiculous.
I read your post about how your strategy was to kneel as a rifleman.. try goingprone.. you do realize that if you go PRONE you can get several shots offbefore the mob your shooting canget to you right? I leveled this class in < a month playing about 3 hours a day, now with lvl 15 pets for everyone it's even easier.. ever think the pet might be able to hold mobs off you for a bit? try getting apet and using flushing shot2.I was sending pets on tortur lairs and AEing the whole thing for massive damage.. a top row box every 1.5-2 hours with AEs on baz nitches is possible once you learn how. The only comparisons the devs should be making are between masters.. why? because unless people are sacrificing their combat skills by saving points for non-combat professions they will be masters in the end anyhow, and getting master isn't hard at all, for any ranged profession even rifleman it should be much, much harder because of the complete lack of an end game. If people are saving points for non-combat skills then they should shut the hell up when it comes to rifleman issues. I mean some people have only a box or 2 of rifleman and come here to whine.. if pistoleer is so **edit** good why not just go get a box or two of pistoleer? might take you a day or two.. boohoo.
Gazkan said:
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Now whiners like you are getting our burst damage nerfed for mind buffs, mind healing, and higher base damage.. of course they're lowering our speed to 1/3rd and thus destroying our burst damage because people want the 2.5x melee damage multiplier changed.. otherwise we'd be doing so much more damage for 92 skill points than anyone else it would be completely ridiculous.
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Whiners like *me*? Where in the hell did I say, endorse, or ask for any of the things you just listed above to be done to Rifleman? Can youget me a quote?Seriously, see if you can find it and get back to me before you start putting words in my mouth.
All I *said* is a Rifleman is nowhere as good as a Pistoleer until he hits master and I think that should be fixed... tell me I'm wrong.Seriously.Am I? I also thing Carbineers should be fixed, and any other class that is currently sub-par. That's it. End of conversation.
I think you're confusing me with someone else. I like VARIETY... I don't want to see Pet Wars, or BH Wars, or Pistoleer wars. I want every class to have unique traits and be fun to play. Currently, Rifleman aren't fun to play (until you hit Master at least). I think that needs to be fixed. You, apparently, don't.
So go ahead, flame me and call me names. To be honest, I really don't give an *edit*.
I'm not surprised when 13 year old BH players go off on crazed rants and flames. But seriously, I expected better in here. Please get your facts straight before you put any more words in my mouth. Peace.
AS FAR AS ANY VOTE ON STRAFE SHOT 2 IS CONCERNED ONLY MASTER RIFLEMEN SHOULD EVEN HAVE A SAY AN I AM SURE THE VOTE WOULD BE 100% KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. Unless ya wanna make it an area effect mind bleed thenI would consider change.
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I completely agree with Lobo .....
1) we are not snipers.
2)If you are dabbling in Rifleman dont F(*&(& it up for those of us who are in it for the long haul. I paid my dues to become master and if you havent then thats your problem. pay your dues then you may have something to say about nerfing a master rifleman.
3) see 1&2
To Silverlobo
ah yes because its riflemen that got the Speed reduction put in place.
as for the T21 nerf Ald you know the rifleman Coorespondent put the post ... id say hardly a noob there.
and who are you to say we're not snipers? have the devs come out and said "rifleman are not snipers" are you a dev? in fact who thehell are you besides some whiney brat.
Maybe we are meant to be snipers ... then again maybe not Maybe you should petition the devs To define the rifleman role before you start with the Anti-novice Rifleman BS.
you know if you dont like the direction of the class ... Drop it go be a Entertainer or a Chef or a Bio Engineer. Do something just so we dont have to read your mindless drivel anymore.
Teflon_ak wrote:
I completely agree with Lobo .....
1) we are not snipers.
The Devs need to tell us this not some person who is pulling it out of his ass. Till then we can all speculate on what we are Snipers or not, but really it doesn't matter what we think at all since we are not the designers.
I can say we are snipers you can say we are Ranged support units ... and the devs could come out and say rifleman's role is to be a distraction while others can get away.
What am i saying is ... Don't use the whole "were not snipers to justify your arguement" because you have no CLUE as to what we are supposed to be and neither do I.
Again you fail to understand.
I will explain this one more time for the dense few. The boards are blessed with at least 1 post a day from a n00b asking to be a sniper. So what do the Devs do? They decide well all the Rifleman want to be snipers so lets slow their speed down, and force them to be in the prone position to hit anything. Dont you see? Jesus, I feel like I am trying to explain to someone why it isnt good to play on freeway. You people are giving the Devs the ability to NERF our profession and they can say, "Hey, you asked to be a sniper so **edit**"
I have endured flames after flames because I am not "nice" to the Novice Rifleman. I refuse to alow the profession I picked for the skills it had be ruined because of uneducated momo's wishing for a handout from the Devs. You would think after the T21 fiasco they would have learned their lesson.