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ZazCOF

Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:09 am

if have 34 points you can spare 0040 pistoleer = +50vsDizzy +40 vs KD i think and yes that bio engineered food does exist

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Dynastar

Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:42 am

#15

I haven't fought a defense stacker version, but I've yet to lose to a TKM.

Exactly why are you letting them get within 20m?

Ramsey Logan
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Barb-Wire

Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:48 am

#16

Harpoon last time i checked you werent a master rifle. rifles simply do not work in PVP unless you master. this is not a dabbler profession.

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Brahn-Cholo

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:15 am

#17

Dunno what ur doing Harpoon......... But first off as a rifleman if u are waiting ur mind. YOu are doing something seriuosly wrong. If u take the right foods, drink, and moun.....or whatever. You will never waist your own mind pool! Quite simple....you are not preparing yourself for battle. And not to sound rude....are stupid to do so, and think u will be effective in PvP. Going overt without preparing your mind (as rifleman) is like going to war with a Neon Orange suit and a bulls-eye on your back with no Weapon in hand, Yelling "kill me Kill me KIll me".

Now past that......... I jsut waisted a TKM / Master Doc just last night..... He was talking smack and wanted a duel... I was unbuffed.... I looked at his ham bars and saw he was very nicely buffed!! Near 3k on H and A. But yet Mind was just 800...

I siad sure to the Challenge... Started runnign away before i hit duel.... Hit a Flushing shot....and spammed a few Head shots...

To my suprize i was missing him while running away quite a few more times than normal..... and he was using Lunge in the beginning and knocked me to half Health.... So i had to change tactics...

And while running i hit a suppressing fire.... to give me more space..... But yet i kept missing...my spammed HD3's (now i need to tell you i took 2 brandies and a moun before the fight....MY MIND WENT NOWHERE) Prepare yourself!!

I decided to stop playing around... I was knocking his mind down a bit... but i was missing too much... so i stopped running. And watched him get closer to me.... LOL this is the great part. I switched to TK and hit Dizzy/ KD combo ( i timed it jsut perfect...by the time he got close the combo nailed him)....then tapped a Warcry.... left him lying on his back

Ran to 40-60 meters again...and waisted his Defensless body with HS3....then sniper shot DB.

HEHE....now i know ur saying i used TK to beat him....but not really i coulda kept running and using my rifle... but woulda taken longer plus i did not use My dizzy combo for rifle flurry shot then supressing fire...I could have but didn't. I like a TK thinking he is going to waist you once he gets within range.... THEN you incap him with his own moves. They never see it coming LOL.......too funny. "A taste of your own medicine" i like to call it. Not letting the enemy know what u have is half the battle.....deceit and secrecy is an awsome ally....

Anyway...... i have also lost to a TK a few times...being caught in areas that are not condusive to my fighting style...or Just that is what happend, i lost.....u can't always win. But really Part of your issue is not being prepared to goto battle.......and other part..... not knowing how to PvP well enough yet.

Telakyte

Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:34 am

#18

Ahhh another NERF a profession thread. Alright, I'll take a shot again. What the heck?

First off: As I've said 2.8million times (give or take a million), PVP is NOTHING without buffs. Buffs make everything work. If you aren't buffed, don't waste your time.

Second: PVP is honestly one of the most broken, unrealistic things in the game. I do it only because I derive some sick pleasure from killing some trash talking individual (rebs included). I dunno it's just.....(drool) Fuuuun.

When you have a system that allows you to simply tab target someone 60m away around a corner and have at it, there's no fun whatsoever. I mean come on? You literally CAN run but CAN'T hide. Defeats the purpose of using that God-given head of yours. Can't even use my pretty camo clothing and blend with my surroundings. Just simple red blip on radar, target, spam.

Third: It has nothing to do with just one profession. It has everything to do with profession dabbling/mixing. A rifleman alone sadly to say is usually crap when faced off against a rifleman/cm, or rifle/sword, or whatever. We can't really make use of our range, simply because someone can have both a ranged AND melee profession and therefore equal us if not better us. That's WHY you go to other professions as well. Try and make some balance out of an imbalanced system.

Finally: I will agree, lunge is annoying as crap. Whoever said you can't get lunged/ kd/dizzy well.....it's happened to me enough times to know it IS possible. Since it happens every time I get stupid and get close to a tka.

So here's the the imbalance of PVP. If you're expecting realism run away...Far far away. This game isn't for you if you're looking for something similar to a fps game. You're wasting your money and our time. Here's to whatever RP experience/ sick enjoyment we can get from killing others.

Mmmmm dead trash talker uber l33t noob.

"When life throws a curve ball, don't duck...you just might miss something"

Sotaudi

Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:23 pm

#19

HARP00N wrote:

im sorry this isnt working. I honestly do not know why they made them so strong.

*prepares to be flamed by the 50% of riflemen who dabble in TKA because they know im right*

what was the logic behind the 20 meter lunge thing for brawlers? It doesnt even have to be the master brawler one that knocks you down, the novice brawler one still forces you to kneeling and then the TKA catches up and I'm **edit**ed.

I literarly waste away my mind trying to hit them, but im stopped by their stacked defences. Armour or buffs do not matter once they posture-down me, because thats followed up by a KD/dizzy and its over, im on the floor and they're smashing me for 600 raw damage. TKAs say that I should "keep my distance" but they are BSing, they know that all PvP takes place in cities at close quarters, with short line of sight paths and if you are being chased its easy for them to catch up because you have to take corners and they get closer each time. And if its a rat-fu.ck battle you can forget about even that, you'll be shooting someone else and suddenly the clone menu pops up.

And guess what, they are giving melee a big boost vs ranged weapons next patch. As if TKA didnt own enough. When TKA are able to hit me at 1/3 of my maximum range FOR MY RIFLE... something is screwy

not to mention that they have by far the easiest time in pvp, doing 2000 damage per hit, having tons of bonouses vs melee attackers (read: 90% of the mobs) soloing the tusken fort, or what i saw today at the rancor valley - a TKA soloing 3 rancors at a time with a pile of dead rancors around him.

If you think that a TK is undefeatable, you are wrong. If you think that you cannot survive a dizzy/KDbutt-whooping from a TK, you are also wrong. TKs complain all the time that, against a buffed and armored opponent, that even with the dizzy/KD, they cannot seem to do enough damage.

Properly buffed and armored, you can withstand a lot of damage, even while dizzy/KDed. Also, you are also not helpless while dizzy/KDed. Each time you stand up, you have a limited opportunity to attack or do something else inyour defensebefore you fall back down. Equip your fastest rifle (assuming it can damage the target), and hit stand followed by headshot or whatever special you want to use. You may not hit every time, and you may not be able to fire each time you stand up, but you can do damage.

On a couple of occasions, I was even able to drive off the TK attacking me while dizzy/KDed.On one occasion, the TK was also a rifleman, and he decided to run off and headshot me, so he still won that encounter, but as a rifleman, not a TK. On the other occasion, the TK attacking me waited too long. By the time he decided to run out of the base we were in, the dizzy wore off, and I was able to calmly get up, jog outside, and pick him off as he tried to run. A couple of headshots to finish off what mind he had left and a snipershot, and he was dead. Yes, I have lost being dizzy/KDed more than I have survived, but most of the time it was because I was already damaged, because I was unprepared (attacked due to a TEF while I was unbuffed and unarmored or while on a muon or pixie downer), or becausethe TK had help or had other skills (as above). And yes, I haveother skills (Swordsman and Brawler) that help me survive better against a melee class. But the one thing that is certain is that, properly prepared, dizzy/KD is not a death sentence.

Sotaudi Crestlighter
Master Rifleman / Master Combat Medic
"The Physician's Pain Reference"

Former Professions
Master Doctor | Master Swordsman | Master Brawler
Master Scout | Ranger

Eaca

Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:34 pm

#20

Did you finish mastering rifleman yet Harpoon? Just curious cause, really, we suck ass until we hit master. A master would own a 4444 rifleman 8 ways to Sunday.

If you haven't finished mastering yet then I highly recomend you stop PvPing, go kill some pikets with concealed shot or whatever you gotta do to get those last few boxes. That one skill point for master gives as many gains as all the points before it combined.

Balute

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:04 pm

#21

It seems like every other week you are on these or other forums bitching about TKA's, Harpoon.For what ever reason, you simply haven't learned the all important "trick" to beating a TKA. I'll tell you again, just like we all have, stay out of their range. See, it's easy! Sorry, enough with the sarcasm, but seriously, man, stop bitching and learn how to friggin fight better.

I'm a TKA/Rifleman, masters in both, and yes we rock...but I still beat TKA's all the time and I mostly do it using my rifle. Here are a few pointers that I use when fighting just about any melee class, and the basic assumptions I always make when I see someone running at me w/o a weapon or swinging a long pig sticker (fencer), skullbasher (Swordsman) or pole (pikeman):

Assumptions:

1. They are all master brawlers, and have the lunge 2 and warcry 2 option.Thus, the 20m of pure love from them.

2. They are masters of their other given profession. Therefore they have all the really great modifiers, stacking templates, etc.

3. They are buffed and have a full belly (food), are drunk off their toes(drink), high as kites (spice), got a lap dance listening to music (buffed), and have powerboosted (TKA only).

4. Know how to use their template.

With these assumptions, all the time, this is what I do:

1. I am also usually buffed, full of food, drink, and drugs, and have also got a lap dance while listening to music. I am also a TKA, so I do get the bonus powerboost, but honestly, this does very little for my mind most of the time. I will PvP unbuffed as needed (i.e. no time, just cloned, etc.), but if I know I'm gonna go PvP before hand, I get buffed.

2. I have mastered my professions, and know (or at least mostly know) how to use them.

3. There is a great new food, some one else posted the name, Tha(somethinkoranother) that gives you between 60-80% reduced chance of being knocked down. If you can't find it, try and hooking up w/ a chef and get a custom order made for you. It is a really great food, and helps A LOT.

4. If one of the above individuals is running up to you, begin the kite fest. Do not get w/in their 20 meter range. If you get warcried, keep running. This is going to be a long drawn out process. Hang tough.

5. /aim is your friend. I have a couple macro's set up just to put the smackdown on defense stackers. Ojne is my aim/mindshot 2 (i.e. bleeds). Another is aim/HS 2 (mind attack). A third is aim/strafe2 (crowd control/power hits). You might want to do the same thing.

6. I have 2 seperate toolbars just for PvP, and 2 just for PvE. I also have hotkeys set up to switch in between them as needed. There are some things I just don't do in PvP that I do in PvE. Not much, but I had to choose what stuff I wanted on there. Choose wisely.

7. I mastered a melee profession for the specific purpose of complementing me being a rifleman. You can do the same thing also. If you keep loosing to TKA's, figure out how to counteract their high accuracy. Can you say CoB and dodge?

8. Use the right damn weapon for each encounter you make. No armored opponent = T21. Composite armored opponent = jawa ion. You wouldn't bring a pig sticker to a gun battle would you?

With these simple steps, I have won far more than I have lost since I mastered rifles. Most of it because I know what I have to do if I come against different types of opponents. I have had my ass handed to me when I wasn't a mster, but I expected it...you should too.

Now for some of your specific quotes:

1. "Armour or buffs do not matter once they posture-down me, because thats followed up by a KD/dizzy and its over, im on the floor and they're smashing me for 600 raw damage" - BS man. Composite armor = AR1. Vibroknuckles = AP1. PvP = 75% reduction. Vk's w/ damage slice( 35%)and max damage power up(33%) = 262 max damage.Unarmed Hit 3attack modifier =damage x 5. Total damage if I hit my max damage (rare) = 327.How you get nailed for 600 per hit, search me, but if you figure it out tell me so I cando it also.

2. "...they know that all PvP takes place in cities at close quarters, with short line of sight paths and if you are being chased its easy for them to catch up because you have to take corners and they get closer each time." - As someone else noted, they take the same corners you do. PvP in the city? Even there I have been able to keep my 20+ m range, even if they burstrun on me. Know the city layout, and failing that, look where you run...obstacles don't have to just impede you man.

3. "...When TKA are able to hit me at 1/3 of my maximum range FOR MY RIFLE..." - Can you please get it through your thick skull that lunge2 is a master brawler skill? Please?

4. "...soloing the tusken fort, or what i saw today at the rancor valley - a TKA soloing 3 rancors at a time with a pile of dead rancors around him" - Let me tell you something. My guild goes to rancor valley all the time to harvest meat and to help our newbies level up. When I was just TKA I would tank forthe group, and be able to do a lot of damage, yes. But now, as a master Rifleman, I tank AND do way more damage as a Master Rifleman than I ever did as a TKA. If you don't think a person should be ableto solo a rancor, your just being ignorant. Any master combat character can and are able to solo multiple rancors with relative ease. If you can't, then you are doing something seriously wrong. As for Ft. Tusken, I solo the place all the time...using just my rifle.

I don't know if we got through to you yet, but unless you have mastered your given profession (I assume rifleman considering you posted here) don't expect to be able to go out and compete with the big boys and always expect to win.

2 nights ago, I was able to kill 8 fully buffed people w/ my rifle alone.2 times over. No TKA stuff involved. Why? Because I knew what to do. Until you do, S T F U and learn how.

Ikaika

P.S. - The hardest person I have EVER fought against in PvP since mastering TKA / Rifles, was a fellow TKA/ Rifleman. I only won due to better tactics in the fight.

Message Edited by Balute on 02-26-2004 01:07 PM

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HARP00N

Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:17 pm

#22

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm a rifles range is over 60m's and the max distance a TKA can hit you from is 10m thats 1/6 of your max range(unless they use lung on you but thats only good every 30 seconds)

Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 02-26-2004 02:03 AM

yes im talking about lunge, they spam it untill you kneel, then the dizzy, then your **edit**ed.

vaderbaiter wrote:

Cities aren't really that enclosed it's not too difficult to keep distance

do you pvp? at all?

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm harpoon the lunge is considered a knockdown and is on the same 30 second timer as all other knockdowns, it's impossible to be lunged and thenimmediatley KD/dizzied right after..................

want me to post screens?

Ewene

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:12 pm

#23

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm harpoon the lunge is considered a knockdown and is on the same 30 second timer as all other knockdowns, it's impossible to be lunged and thenimmediatley KD/dizzied right after..................

Harpoon

want me to post screens?

Cheers,
Tzimovo & Osmikec / Chimaera
Ewene / Bugfin

vaderbaiter

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:24 pm

#24

Please

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm a rifles range is over 60m's and the max distance a TKA can hit you from is 10m thats 1/6 of your max range(unless they use lung on you but thats only good every 30 seconds)

Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 02-26-2004 02:03 AM

yes im talking about lunge, they spam it untill you kneel, then the dizzy, then your **edit**ed.

Umm that isn't the same as what you were claiming in your original post, your original post claimed they would lunge you then follow it up with a KD/dizzy.The solution here is to be quick on the draw, as soon as you get lunged tap forward so you stand up right away because if they do dizzy you or use kd/dizzy you have a chance ofKNOCKING YOURSELF DOWN when trying to stand from kneeling.

vaderbaiter wrote:

Cities aren't really that enclosed it's not too difficult to keep distance

do you pvp? at all?

Lol harpoon why yes i do and am apparently much much more succesful at it then yourself as i have no problem beating just about anyone i fight other then defense stackers.Seriously their is more then enough room in cities, try picking your battles and don't chase a TKA into a narrow corridor...........

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm harpoon the lunge is considered a knockdown and is on the same 30 second timer as all other knockdowns, it's impossible to be lunged and thenimmediatley KD/dizzied right after..................

want me to post screens?

Please do harpooni would love to see a screenie that says "you have been forced to kneeling " then immediatley followed with "you have been knockeddown" but I'm quite confident the only screenie your going to be able to show will be like this "you have been forced to kneeling" and then "you are so dizzy you fall down" which is tottally different then what you have been claiming.The only way you could have screenshots saying the former, would be if you had screens from before the 30 second KD timer was implemented.

Please post your screens i would love to see them.But your time would probably be better spent in game learning how to play your proffesions as apparently you don't take any of the advice that you ask for on your multiple threads.

Ewene

Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:39 pm

#25

Stupid forum software (or me, not sure why the post is tripled).

vaderbaiter wrote:

Umm harpoon the lunge is considered a knockdown and is on the same 30 second timer as all other knockdowns, it's impossible to be lunged and thenimmediatley KD/dizzied right after..................

Harpoon wrote:

want me to post screens?

Not necessary Harpoon.

TKA has a 3 hits that can give a lowered posture or knock down that lead to the dizzy dance: Lunge1, Knockdown1 and Knockdown2.

Knockdown2 does a dizzy right within the knockdown.

Still the lunge/knockdown are on timers but if you are stupid enough to try and leave the lowered state the Dizzy of the Knockdown2 will kick in.

Btw. if a TKA spams kd he achieves exactly the opposite of what he desires(at leastNPC'sdo not fall over but rather stand up right away again and the timer ticks till next successful kd).

Cheers,

Tzimovo/Chimaera (ex TKM, Master Sniper, ex Master Marksman)

Ewene/Bugfin (*Holovictim*)

Cheers,
Tzimovo & Osmikec / Chimaera
Ewene / Bugfin

Tcornwall

Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:03 pm

#26

Harpoon I'm a TKA and I find it nearly impossible to kill anyone with a 80% kinetic suit on, get one of those and you'll be fine and impossible to be killed by a tka.

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