Rifleman Archive
Thread: Wunna know what PvP is like now?
If Im reading that right you had 3 shots, now why didnt you strafe shot 2 times? If you were wondering that kills them.
Because my rifle skills are 4/2/0/2, thats why. One of your **edit** problems is you assume EVERY rifleman is a master rifleman. You also assume every rifleman is a swordsman, but thats a different topic. Im sorry, Aldeon,thats not true. Ive been playing over a month for over 20 hours a week and im STILL not there.
At master sniping accuracy with headshot3 id expect to beat a guy who has 0/0/1/0 pistoleer. Can I? Nope. KNOCKDOWN.
BS.
And dont fuking come at me with that "you expect to win everytime" cause you KNOW thats just a lame tactic to divert attention. Ill repeat what i said:
If a rifleman meets an pistoleer of equal skill with similar level equipment the rifleman should win 90% of the time (10% for misses or other weird circumstances) if combat began at 64 meters.
Likewise, i think pistoleers should win 90% of the time if they close to 30 meters or less.
Thats NOT saying I think we should win 100% of the time. In fact, its no where close to it. If youve EVER bothered to do PvP out in the cities youll know that 30 meters is a pretty standard distance. I EXPECT pistoleers to win in those situations. But when i go up on a hill, spot an enemy, and deliver THREE fuking headshot 3's and then he turns around and spams me with knockdown at 64 meters? THATS when somethins fuking wrong.
So currently anyone with knockdown is going to win against someone without it? Since even with the increased HAM cost of using it they only need to knock you down once, then you're dead before you get up?
Yes, thats correct. And guess what? EVERYONE has knockdown except us. The carbineers, the pistoleers, the BH's, the smugglers... EVERYONE has it.
TekDragon wrote:
GOD D*MNIT!!! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REALIZE THAT EVERY OTHER RANGED PROFFESION (except commando, weeee...) HAS A 1 SHOT KILL ATTACK EXCEPT US!!! ITS CALLED KNOCKDOWN!!
We either need to GET knockdown or we need to get something thats EQUALLY capable of winning a battle in one shot. Cause its D*MN sure not likely that SOE is going to nerf knockdown anymore.
I have tried, Im still trying, and I will try again. I have sent private smgs to Q, I have sent emails to him, I have sent emails too the address I send my reports. All reasonable ways to make Knockdown fair.
Alveon, you got to consider that not all of are as skilled as you obviously are.( I mean that, I read your tips post and, wow,great post)
Maybe thats were the frustration comes from. I understand what your point is about the 75%, and one shooting someone may not be to much fun but three hs3 should kill anyone 75% or not.
Rifleman at lower levels sucks, its hard, hardest leveling I have ever done. Its much like stealthers in DAOC. In the end it pays off, at master I can kill a single pistoleer. Of course if its a duel, chances are I will lose, becuase duels people are better prepared. You cant judge PvP for a Rifleman, at non Master Levels im sorry you just cant. Becuase of our lack of speed, we dont become good until we hit master. When you hit master we have things that outdamage people becuase of master. Stuns, will make them skip there next shot, dizzy will make the fall apon changing stances. (Suppression Fire works now) Thats a 10 seconds on the ground, first hot is isntant, 2nd shot is almost imediate for me. If Im using that tactic, Im going to use a weapon that I dont rely on damage for, but 1.0 style speed.
I never knew Tek was not master, I always though by his out spoken voice, and by some of the things he has said he was a master rifleman. But you cant judge how a rifleman will perform in PvP until you hit master, becuase until you hit master, we suck in PvP.
But you cant judge how a rifleman will perform in PvP until you hit master, becuase until you hit master, we suck in PvP.
Aldeon, log onto wanderhome and go to anchorhead and ask some of the people there about "TekDragon".
When I was a 4/0/0/2 I started PvPing. By using tactics, good weapons, and headshot 3 i was able to average 4-6 kills for each death I got. If I came upon a charachter with knockdown I had a 50% chance of killing him.
Now, its **edit**. Tactics mean NOTHING. Combat is ALL about who can do knockdown first (same as it used to be) but now rifleman dont even have a CHANCE because we dont get knockdown at all.
Dont give me this "rifleman cant PvP until we get master and get a really **edit** AOE attack that a flame thrower should be doing", cause its WRONG. Again, go to Wanderhome, log into Anchorhead, and ask around. 4-6 kills per death, im not exagerating.
So I guess when I tested strafe shot 2 on a guildy and hit him for 890 it was a fluke, once in a lifetime shot then?
Fact of the matter tek you are nothing more then a spoiled child that has no f'n clue whatgame balance means. In any game like this there will be some classes that come to "age" earlier then others. It is no ones fault but your own for not realizing that Rifleman is pure junk tell Master.
How about this Tek stop trying to turn the profession into what you want and learn to adapt. I know its hard for the EQ generation to understand that, but make a attempt at least.
Tek before this patch you could do that, want to know why? Becuase one shots were easy. I was one shotting people 1 week after the game came out. Now it requires tactics, and you know what? Master Rifleman, you know why? Speed. You shoot too slow to compete. You get 1-2 shots off for his 10.
Everyday I test something new, everyday If I have a doubt about something I test it. Every doubt brought up on thes boards I test it, every single thing people think is a bug I test it, I have spent my entire time logged on testing soemtimes. I have tested in hundreds of duels, I have the most loyal guild to help me test. I get free guns, I get free armor, and I get dummy bags to shoot. I have had people let me sniper shot them 20 times, particularly becuase they were rezzing for rez XP. I have tested everything that is testable, I have played PvPed countless hours. I have solo'd PvP countless hours, I have done the same thing over and over and over again countless hours becuase someone in game told me it may not be working. I have gone back and tested things that I think I may have found an error, I have searched for mobs, to test weapons on. I searched for 3 hours, to find a mob that might help the rifleman out more. I spend countless hours learning my class, and you know what I have learned. You cant PvP unless your a Master Rifleman, you just cant. Pre-patch you could, post patch, your to slow. You will get one shot off, you will never see a 2nd shot.
Without a doubt I know the most about this class, why? Becuase I test at least 1/4 the time I have been on. I have tested as a non-master rifleman, and I have tested as a master rifleman. I set logs as a non-master rifleman to calcualte my speed as I prgressed, the to hit master rifleman and take lgos of my speed there, just to make sure, 100 percent sure, that our + to speed was not bugged.
You cant PvP as a non-master rifleman, you just cant. Not anymore, even if you could take out 4-6 people at one time, you just cant anymore. As more people hit master, and you are without it, you will lose more and more. Im begining to see more masters out there, becuase im getting more 15fp pts. Today I died 2 times to players, and I made well over 600 FPs off of players. I get around 4-6 per player, then the 15 for the masters. I enjoy PvP with this nerf 100 times more, becuase it requires me to think. Its a whole new ball game, its not what it used to be.
I will say it again, everyone needs to learn and adapt. You really should get to grinding XP before they make it any harder to solo XP. Wich you know they are, they are trying to force grouping upon us. Eventually we will have to, and XP will come much slower.
Tek, Im sure you have a great reputation on your server, but its going to go away until you get Master Rifleman.
And No Tek its not all about knockdown, knockdown may give you oen hell of an advantage, but today while I was running to bestine to heal up some wounds, I ran into a solo BH. (Master Pistoleer/BH pistol line) I was semi-afk watching my TV. Bam I get shot knocked down, I get up, and you know what, I couldnt shoot for 15 seconds. I couldnt do anything for 15 seconds, absolutely nothing. You know whats funny, I killed him, whats even better, is, I let him live, becuase that was one hell of a fight. Best fight I have had since this game came out, why you ask? Becuase niether of us did a one shot kill.
Snipers are now WW1 style, sit back behind the trenches and fields of men, and pick off targets. Anyone who dare comes in my range, I rain a field of fire on them before they have a time to hit knockdown.
Ive never said anything about strafe shot 2's ability to do PvP damage. The ONLY thing ive ever said about SF2 was that its a stupid non-rifleman attack that should be given to the flamethrower branch of commando.
Get your head out of your ass.
All my comments in PvP are based on Headshot 3. And guess what? 90% of rifleman are using the headshot variants to do damage cause 90% of the rifleman are NOT master riflemen! Hell, 99.99% of riflemanon Wanderhome arent master rifleman (i know of only one). When 90% of rifleman, even those with 4/4/3/4, are getting owned by pistoleers with 0/0/1/0... you KNOW something is wrong.
It seems like every defence for rifleman our correspondent has is "well, master rifleman is good". Thats fuking great, now fix the other 99% of the tree.
Now it requires tactics, and you know what? Master Rifleman, you know why? Speed. You shoot too slow to compete.
That pretty much sums up what my last post is talking about. You cant compete with a 0/0/1/0 pistoleer until your a 4/4/4/4 rifleman according to Aldeon. Pffft...