Rifleman Archive
Thread: TH please consider this Rifleman change
Rubicon49BC
Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:35 am
#14
The problem is that nobody does high damage in PvP after taking into account armor.
Currently its:
Rifle: low damage
Rifle: low damage
Carbineer/Pistol: Pathetic damage
If they reduce armor to 50-60% after slicing, then Ranged users actually have a first strike advantage which they need against melee people.
As for Rifleman vs Melee, try to hide behind cover. I have both Rifle and TKA, and if I can't take another Rifleman head to head (when I don't have mindbuffs for instance), I will hide in a building or behind a wall and wait for him to come to me.
feck
Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:40 am
#15
Melee already have a huge advantage over range and you want to make it worse.
TenshiHanaKinu
Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:39 am
#16
KardenTyrell wrote:
"It's "not cool" when I'm trying to run from a Rifleman because they have on 90% armor with 46+60% resists to my only viable weapon (AP0 Geo Blaster) and therefore can't do anything to dent them, so I make a run for it, and while burst-running, they are still hitting me with accurate headshots from all ranges. "
You just displayed the real problem, and its not the rifleman
What be that?
That all a Rifleman has to do is:
/follow;
/headshot3;
/headshot3;
/headshot3;
/headshot3;
/snipershot;
/say "I pwned you, n00b!";
/ui toolbarslot00;
LiakyK
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:08 am
#17
Wait for the armor nerf.
That is the reason people say Riflemen is overpowered cause we have a Stun Rifle that hits the mind. But someone with a PSG, Stun Armor, Steak, and Melee toughness is still hard to harm. Even harder if they have a ranged profession. Its no the weapons that are over powered it the 90% armor that everyone walks around in and thinks to themselves "I should not be able to be killed by anyone if I do they are overpowered or are cheating" Attitudes people have.
That is the reason people say Riflemen is overpowered cause we have a Stun Rifle that hits the mind. But someone with a PSG, Stun Armor, Steak, and Melee toughness is still hard to harm. Even harder if they have a ranged profession. Its no the weapons that are over powered it the 90% armor that everyone walks around in and thinks to themselves "I should not be able to be killed by anyone if I do they are overpowered or are cheating" Attitudes people have.
LevaOripa
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:17 am
#18
Smugglerkatan wrote
I don't know if this has been suggested before, but please consider making the shots listed below contingent on akneeling or prone posture. This would allow the rifleman to still be the two part profession of heavygunner & sniper. Currently in game the sniper acc is spilling over to the heavygunner speed. This allows a rifleman to remain moving with a highly accurate mind pool shot. I believe changing these shots to posture specific will alleviate this inbalance.
/mindshot1
/mindshot2
/headshot1
/headshot2
/headshot3
/snipershot
Thanks
Head shot is the only pool specific shot the rifleman has...............Think about that...All of the rest of the rifleman shots are Random pool damage and AREA attacks
Area attacks agro bad guys in places like the geo cave ect.
If everyone and not just riflemanis to lose mind hits these shots need to go after another specific pool
Rifleman need there Bayonet and buttstrok as well to fight mobs and players in melee range
KardenTyrell
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:23 am
#19
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
KardenTyrell wrote:
"It's "not cool" when I'm trying to run from a Rifleman because they have on 90% armor with 46+60% resists to my only viable weapon (AP0 Geo Blaster) and therefore can't do anything to dent them, so I make a run for it, and while burst-running, they are still hitting me with accurate headshots from all ranges. "
You just displayed the real problem, and its not the riflemanWhat be that?That all a Rifleman has to do is:/follow;/headshot3;/headshot3;/headshot3;/headshot3;/snipershot;/say "I pwned you, n00b!";/ui toolbarslot00;
You use master headshot against x for x of damage, but he dodges out of the way
You use master headshot against x for x of damage, but he dodges out of the way
You use master headshot against x for x of damage, but you miss
You use Flushing shot against x for x of damage, but you miss
You use Flushing shot against x for x of damage, but you miss
You use Flushing shot against x for x of damage
Your target looks stunned
You use master headshot against x for x of damage
You use master headshot against x for x of damage
You use master headshot against x for x of damage
Your target shakes off the effect of being stunned
You use master headshot against x for x of damage, but you miss
(lagspike...)
You are dizzy
You are knocked down
You are so dizzy that you fall down
You eat Thactillo blabla
You are so dizzy that you fall down
You are so dizzy that you fall down
You use Advanced Strafe on x for x of damage, but you miss
You are incapacitated
You cannot heal damage while you're incapacitated
You cannot heal damage while you're incapacitated
You cannot heal damage while you're incapacitated
You have been slain by x
Is the actual scenario
Xytroncore
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:35 am
#20
KardenTyrell wrote:
"It's "not cool" when I'm trying to run from a Rifleman because they have on 90% armor with 46+60% resists to my only viable weapon (AP0 Geo Blaster) and therefore can't do anything to dent them, so I make a run for it, and while burst-running, they are still hitting me with accurate headshots from all ranges. "
You just displayed the real problem, and its not the rifleman
Uh huh, and guess what, if you nerf the armor we die even faster while we STILL would do 1/3 your damage. The armor is not the problem, nerf it and we still can't compete because we just die faster. The problem is doing way less damage then riflemen, at SLOWER speeds until we get BH pistols, with FAR less accuracy (I'll miss a riflemen more at 64m then they'd miss me at 2m), and to be even close to a level that we can compete using pistols we have to use all of our points to offencively dabble leaving us 90% deffenceless to the Riflemen deffence dabblers (who, just by mastering riflemen, have as much offence as we can get from BH and smuggler, and a **edit** load more deffences so we could never hit them).
You people are bloody rediculous, ya, keep blaming buffs and armor until the cows come home, what do you get when you nerf buffs and armor accross the board? You get people with half the HAM they have now, with far less resists to your enormous AP3 portable cannon, anyone want to run a test to see how many shots 30% energy comp and a 1500 mind pool can take from master headshot? I'll just go out on a limb and say 2 (maybe 3 if the T21 sucks). That's 2-3 seconds of fighting. I'd love to see the uber pistol you come up with that can do 750 damage per shot in PvP to the mind pool, even with only 30% acid/energy resists there isn't a single pistol that can do it.
Message Edited by Xytroncore on 07-31-2004 11:44 AM
KardenTyrell
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:39 am
#21
uh uh....nerf buffs and we'll shoot ourselves dry pretty quick
Xytroncore
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:45 am
#23
KardenTyrell wrote:
uh uh....nerf buffs and we'll shoot ourselves dry pretty quick
Oh noes, those 2 shots you'd need to kill us would REALLY drain that HAM pool of yours eh? Moron.
LiakyK
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:48 am
#24
You should see how much mind we used to use before food. (Food gave use the ability to spam specials)
KardenTyrell
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:48 am
#25
well then in that scenario , lemme point you how Last ditch was pre buffs and uber armor. Have you been there?
Xytroncore
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:55 am
#26
Wow, a VERY slow random pool attack (At master pistoleer with a DE-10, it's 2.75 seconds between shots). And still only with an AP1 weapon... look out for that powerhouse
And when there was no buffs at all and only Chittin armor (at like 15%) and before all the nerfs to pistols and before the buffs to riflemen, the game was fine.
Message Edited by Xytroncore on 07-31-2004 11:57 AM