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Thread: Devs To Rifleman: Wipe Them Out, All Of Them (the 3 seconds minimum fire rule = death of a class)
BaronJedi wrote:
Calm down Hawkenz andread the post again. They said they would adjust the damage of Carbines and Rifles to compensate for the speed nerf.
Actually, if you have a bit of coffee to wake up and read the post again, they said they would investigate adjusting the damage after the speed caps were in. That is most definately not saying they will adjust the damage when the speed caps go in.
Ya gotta read the fine print, my boy... 
Pecos, you are insane... If you seriously think the devs will multiply our current rifles damage by 6 times you are either completely delusional or you began playing the game 48h ago...
I play on Starsider and I've already seen some 50-261 UNSLICED fwg5 for sale. If they can fire those guns at 0.5s intervals while rifles are stuck with 3s, do you honestly believe they will give us some rifles capable of 300-1566 UNSLICED to make up for it? Hell, the 150-425 T21 "worried" them and warranted a nerf, and you believe they will give us such toys? And btw, our damage with those rules should be higher than 6 times the damage of pistols because we suffer many penalties that they don't have to deal with (using Mind/unhealable pool to do specials coupled with super high special costs=sick downtime in large PvP, 2.5 melee dmg multiplier anyone?, etc...), our damage should be more like 7-8 times that of a pistol given those speed caps.
Mark my word: if that 3s code goes on live, they will NEVER take the measures necessary to make up for it for rifleman, it just won't happen... 
personally i am a 1/1/0/2 rifleman i have a 45% speed increase because i am a master marksman. here is some hard numbers for you. 7.6 speed t21s are not hard to find. lets say i had a 30%speed power up to that to drop the speed down to 4.8 spd. now i can take off a simple 45% of that number to give me my speed without firing a special. right now i am down at around a speed of 2.6. so my speed is already maxed out unless i do specials. earlier this week i have a person show me their new fgw5 that had a damage of 62-422 with a speed of 1.8. do you really think that the developers are going to give us the ability to make a weapon that is 372-2532. and then give it the ability to do a special attack that does 5x times that? 1860-15192 every 3 seconds? because this is what they are saying they are going to give pistolers. on top of the fact that they said the other day that they want to have pistolers get their speed bonus faster. guess what guys i dont see them give me the ability to one shot most things in the game as a rifleman? do you?
as a told a guildmate this evening. it is like the developers have found out that someone was sleeping with their wife and the only thing they know about them is that they are a rifleman.
Hawkenz wrote:Listen man..PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IT SAID THEY WOULD UP OUR DAMAGE. I am so sick and tired of people who cant read it just helps our class get nerfed.
SHOW ME.
"Even though they increase us to 3.0 seconds. they would increase our damage". Show me where it says this you illiterate jackass.
Ok. In the General Combat Stuff section, in the Combat Speed Change Proposal. Third paragraph, second sentence: "I could raise the damage on carbines/rifles because I would be guaranteed that they wouldn’t be fired as quickly as pistols." There it is. Being the highly literate person you are, I would have assumed that you would at least made it to the first sentence in Q's post and taken it to heart. You know, the one that went "First, PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD." Sounds like you just scrolled down until you saw Rifleman and read that.
And before you say it (because I can see where this is going), yes I do realize that he said that he could up the damage in exchange for the hit in speed. The pessimists out there will be quick to say that we will never see this damage increase, just the speed "nerf". But, keep in mind that the speed changes themselves are merely a "proposal". It could happen or it could not (I'm sure your obviously superior literary skills clued you in to that much, Hawkenz). Most likely, the speed and damage changes will happen as proposed. But if you all want those adjusted ranges that I read about earlier, then do what you can to make that request heard. I think it's a good idea and will add my support to any thread I see involving it. I'm sure that if it's possible to work that kind of change into the engine, they'll consider it.
One last point I want to make. Keep in mind that this is their game, and they can and will change the rules however they see fit. If you don't like the way it's turning out, then cancel your account and stop playing! Your $60-$75 initial investment + $15 a month only gives you the right to use their program and their servers. It does not give you a controlling interest in the game. The only way to do that is for you to have a background in game development and be hired by SOE.
It appears to me, the only advantage I have in PVP is speed, same goes for PVE except I also have AE. I am master Rifleman, and it at least (appears) as though 3 second delay would make rifleman lose any decent ability it has compared to any other class. BH and Commando already way way way way outdamages us, but I am glad to see they got a weapon fix.
3 second (might) be ok, if the damage on T21 was increased to maybe 250-790 like an unsliced LLC is, might make it more viable of a change.
Zamook - Master Rifle, Master CH, Gimp medic - Naritus
What makes you so sure they won't nerf pistols? It's obvious they will, unless they want pistoleers soloing Krayts.
I guess my post got 1 star because it didn't say "omg omg omg w r nurfd omg!!1!"
They're making some new correspondant forum, let's just have the rifleman correspondant bring up these issues so the devs are aware of our concerns and not just post a "omg we r d suk" post that the devs won't read.
The T-21 Musket. (Smooth bore)
Pistoleers best weapon:
FGW5 Automatic Machine Gun (now in improved pistol format)
NOWHERE in that sentance did it say they WOULD and WILL raise anything.
Now **edit**.
Athmou Voofo
Novice Bounty Hunter
0-1-1-0
Novice Rifleman
1-0-0-0
Why are you even on this thread? Effin noob with 0 exp into riflleman.
Another concern about the proposed changes I hadn't seen anyone mention. They are talking about making mind healable. WIth a 3 second delay how hard will it be for our target in PvP to get healed before we can hit them again?
Granted this is making a couple assumptions. 1) That damage isn't significantly increased. 2) That mind healing will work like existing healing where it is instantanious.
Just trying to think ahead here.
HitokiriSith wrote:
One last point I want to make. Keep in mind that this is their game, and they can and will change the rules however they see fit. If you don't like the way it's turning out, then cancel your account and stop playing! Your $60-$75 initial investment + $15 a month only gives you the right to use their program and their servers. It does not give you a controlling interest in the game. The only way to do that is for you to have a background in game development and be hired by SOE.
The fact that they post on a forum instead of just a news page suggests to me that they would like some feedback.
As Holo has said, making us happy makes them happy (less people leave they get more cash). If everyone that ever wants to be any good at combat has to take up pistoleer / BH / Commando there will be a lot of unhappy people.
I really don't see how making them aware of the problems these changes might cause is so troubling, surely it is better they get closer to balance in 1 month, rather than 6.
If you read Holos posts on the T21 threads he said he wasscaredof the damage we could do in a single shot, not the speed at which we fire or our DPS. This suggests to me that he does not like us doing massive damage in 1 shot, so unless pistols receive a very big damage nerf they are going to have trouble making rifles doing 6x the damage of pistols without giving us the damage Holo was scared of.
Why the DPS between pistols and rifles should be even I do not know, one has many disadvantages that greatly hurt the profession, the other has very few disadvantagesand iseasier to use.