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I think damage-per-ham is one of the best measurements. Maybe damage-per-ham-per-second? I'd have to think about that.

The T21 has an awesome DPS but it still sucks because the DPH is horrible.

At least mine is.

Laser rifle = gamble , come on baby roll me a good one
E11 rifle = all purpose medium armor rifle.

My primary weapon is an e11 rifle, always out always equipped, I only switch rifles as needs be, or concealed shots. Resitances, and wiether or not im grouped.

Headshot 3 cost 69 mind for me with my E11 , for a human with 550 will and 500 focus thats not bad in my book.

no t-21's on radiant for 76 days and counting

Glaza, well, if it's any consolation you aren't missing THAT MUCH with the T-21 issue. Compared to the Damage Over Time and the Damage Per HAM, the E-11 smokes the T-21. Oh yes, it's true.

The T-21 is primarily used in the following situations:

1) A single MOB standing in your way that has NOT YET agroed you.
2) A single MOB that you know for a fact you can drop with one shot.
3) A single MOB with an outrageous Armor Rating.
4) Killing Medics in large-scale PvP fights.
5) Wearing down large attacking MOBs in large-scale PvE Hunting parties.

You may notice a theme in the first three. If you are by yourself, you really can't use the T-21 against a group. You simply won't have time to fire again and kill them all. Especially if you T-21 them and leave them with just a droplette of HAM left. Then you have to wait out the whole T-21 delay to hit them for another. . . 154 health. It's silly.

And incidentally, Using Headshot3 with my T-21 costs me 202 Mind. I have 1000 Mind, 500 Focus, and 900 Willpower. . . boy that adds up quickly. So proudly disaplay your E-11. They are cheap on servers with T-21s because everyone is T-21 crazy.

And don't overlook the Jawa Ion Rifle for pure Composite Armor Thrashing.

I can get that all the time with a T21. Mine is 116-316. I use a powerup to reduce mind cost and increase speed. (slice for speed, AS=4.7 Mind=48 w/powerup for mind and speed). Nice enough that it is actually better then my laser overall. My laser has a 16-399dmg and near the same speed. It could peak better on no-armour tgts but I suffered nasty 60dmg shots from MS3 far too much to use to hope for that. It ALWAYS happened at the worst time. I would use an E11 instead for certain, "must drop now" targets. It's nice to use the T21 for that role now

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ParadigmaMike wrote:
I have to point out again that E11 rifles heavily rely on Plumbum Iron stats. If your server didn't get descent plumbum iron, you wont get descent E11s

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Aye, the Dlt20's on Bria here are FAR superior.

120-204 Dlt vs 78-176 E-11 ??? and the Dlt is a 3 level lower cert??? gimmea break or a T-21.

Khyras, On Bria.
Doctor/ Rifleman
"The nerf of God is coming!!! Pistoleers Repent!

I have to point out again that E11 rifles heavily rely on Plumbum Iron stats. If your server didn't get descent plumbum iron, you wont get descent E11s

e11 is also light AP.
Its still my weapons of choice for basic running around. Good slice, good power-up and with its fairly low HAM costs its an effective weapon.

Still use my T21 for bleeds of course.

Stinger - Sunrunner

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Pecos wrote:

I think damage-per-ham is one of the best measurements. Maybe damage-per-ham-per-second? I'd have to think about that.

The T21 has an awesome DPS but it still sucks because the DPH is horrible.

At least mine is.

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The T21, if you get it sliced for damage, rather than for speed, has one of the better DPH (damage per HAM) ratios, because it fires so slowly. Lots of seconds to divide the HAM by.

Getting a 30% speed slice for the T21 is suicidal though, especially if you had an add-on fitted to it...


I did a score from 0 to 100 for all my rifles/carbines/pistols, with 0 for worst HPS, and 100 for best HPS, and the Spraytick got 0, E11 rifle, Laser Rifle got about 90, the Ion rifle got 94, my T21 got 82 (24% damage slice, 71 mind use), and the carbines about 60-66 for their HPS rating.

(I will have to check, once home later today, if I can post a summary here..)

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Myros wrote:
e11 is also light AP.
Its still my weapons of choice for basic running around. Good slice, good power-up and with its fairly low HAM costs its an effective weapon.

Still use my T21 for bleeds of course.

Stinger - Sunrunner

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E11 Carbine is light armor piercing.
E11 Rifle is medium armor piercing.

Hmm E11 is worthless? I never use laser rifle in long combat due high mind cost and low min damage. E11 simply rocks.

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ParadigmaMike wrote:
I have to point out again that E11 rifles heavily rely on Plumbum Iron stats. If your server didn't get descent plumbum iron, you wont get descent E11s

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Aye, the Dlt20's on Bria here are FAR superior.

120-204 Dlt vs 78-176 E-11 ??? and the Dlt is a 3 level lower cert??? gimmea break or a T-21.

Khyras, On Bria.
Doctor/ Rifleman
"The nerf of God is coming!!! Pistoleers Repent!

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Heh I wish we had those E11s on my server, I've been to all the good weaponsmiths on my server, including my guildmate and they all make 77- 145. Just bad Plumbum Iron.

If you're fighting things with energy resist that E11 is far better than your DLT. The AP brings it up to 121 - 275. If they would fix AP on targets with no resist, then an E11 like that would be my weapon of choice.

242-749 8.8 speed Prenerf T21

Tempest suffers from the lame E11 problem too.

E11 rifles on Tempest are 79-150, 4.8 speed.

By contrast, I bought a DLT20a last night that's 113-189, 5.1 speed. Sliced it up to 136-217.

I had forgotten about the AP aspects, though. May have to revist the E11 if I end up fighting armored criters.

Yep I was farming money on Endor yesterday and the DLT20a really suffers from being AP0 there. A good E11 (I wish I had one like that other poster) would havebeen great.