Rifleman Archive

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MyraKat wrote:
transfer to bloodfin and im down

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sure......can i have $30 for the transfer and then $30 more for the transfer back after the /duel?

hehe

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MyraKat wrote:

Correct me if im wrong, but that was part of the point of the CU (BTW I hate the CU), to make professions have specific uses. But now having typed a bunch of different responses and thought about it, there is not all that much of a bonus in having master. Startle is amazing, but are all the other trees worth it? I do love my template now, enough to keep it... most people run from me when they see me and my new character has only been around for a few weeks. However im sure there will need to be some tweaking after the expansion comes, and i dont know if im going to keep master or not.... Hem-whatever of CM is going to be needed pretty badly i think

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Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-17-2005 12:34 AM

1. Rifleman are overpowered


2. Rifleman are highest dps players in the game


3. Everyone packing a ALR is a rifleman

The true of those myths is

1. Rifleman are no stronger than many other ranged classes and much less strong in pve then melee classes due to




1. armor break


2. lower dps


3. useless states


4. specials that are to limited and not useful


2. Carbineer / Bh outdo us here every way from sunday.




1. they have higher damage specials


2. they cycle them faster


3. the sac cost can be much less


3. Would that the ALR was a rifleman only weapon - yet the truth is that anyone can use it and with enough generic mods (smuggler/bh etc) you can have as much skill with it as a real rifleman.

If you read any of the posts - people always say that rifleman is the strongest when ever they are calling for a nerf on something

Who has not seen Nerf CM/Rifle orNerf BH/Rifle posts all the time? Is it the rifle that makes the combo so powerful? or is it the other skills that are brought to the rifleman that makes it more powerful. Our only real advantage currently is range (it is not dps) and our disadvantages are many.

Current Disadvantages:

1) min ranges on many of our specials

(cover, conceal, sniper)

2) long windups that are effectively roots

(aim, snipershot)

3) states that are basically useless

kneecap snare, startle shot both the delay and the posture change

4) weapon encumbrance that is worse then our snare

for our 1 advantage Range

So what do you think we should be doing about this? The devs do not think we need development time since we are at the level of performance expected - an idea which I disagree wholeheartedly with.

Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-16-2005 04:02 PM

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Ackehece wrote:

basically all we can do is allow me to bring up our shortcomings to the devs in the correspondent forums. Then (and this is where you all can help) if you see someone post that X + Rifleman is uber strong point out that x + Bh or x+ Carbineer or x + meleer is probably stronger in a follow up post. Be prepared to back up that though. Make sure they understand we don't have states that do anything anymore (thank you chain shooters....) and that our role was to be nukers but we are out nuked by many ranged professions and almost all melee professions.

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My bad

But can you blame a guy for using the one special that was worth a damn in Rifles?

As for suggestions, I'm actually for the aim being a direct counter to COB and Aura. The swordsman is the Melee Nuker and gets the armor break to counter armor, we as the ranged nukers need to have the counter to the 500+ defense. Give us 500 accuracy at master with aim and have it last at least 30 seconds so we can fire some shots off. Have the improved give 250 accuracy and last 30 seconds.

If the devsneed to balance it or whatever they can always make it a toggle effect like force armor and force run and attach a root to aim. I think that would make sense that in order to aim you would have to be stationary leaving you more vulnerable. Either that or take away our defensive mods while aiming. The devs seem to like ideas where it is a give and take, Klaw and Waste proved that. Bring them an idea where we get something, but give something else up at the same time and they seem to think we are being reasonable or something.

Message Edited by Geddeo on 10-17-2005 11:02 AM

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MyraKat wrote:

I agree,if players who aren't rifleman want to use a rifle, they can use a lower level laser rifle

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1. Make our snare have added acuracy, and make it at least as much of a snare as our rifles snare us.

2. I liked the idea of making the t-21 kinetic damage--other possible options for the t-21, increase the max/min dmg...decrease the sac...make it more accurate than the ALR...make the snare of the t21 lessened...just some options.

3. Make the aim zipbar take less time, remove the snare, and make the bonus more

4. Make snipershot useful, able to be used from kneeling/prone, not under cover, or just remove the cover and lessen the zipbar time

5. Remove the accuracy penalty from headshot...

6. Make the ALR a fourth level box cert. The same should be for fwg5 pistols and all the most powerful guns in each class. People should have to take the profession to be able to use its most powerful guns, at least have to dabble in the profession.

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MyraKat wrote:

Teh following is a big blob of stuff that probably doesnt make sense, read at your own risk.

If you don't think startle shot is useful, then you are doing something very wrong. With my bowcaster, i can normally drop people to 1/3 health or so before they notice it, depending on profession/armor... but if you get them low enough and pop a startle shot, that takes people to just low enough for one headshot to incap. Startle shot = you cant heal unless you stim or ruby bliel+stim (can take a while to figure out why you cant use bacta whatever), headshot, that persons incapped, and you win. I restarted my character about a 2-3 weeks ago and have been playing rifleman ever since (i was a rifleman WAAYY way back, as well as others..., and on my character when i came back to the game 2 months ago or so). It's virtually impossible for me to lose a 1v1 as it is... my template being Master Rifles, Master Pistols, and 4004 CM. Today i found myself in Cnet against 2 jedi and what seemed to be a commando/rifleman, i killed one of the jedi in about a minute (using exo-protein and deuterium pyro or however its spelled most of the time), and moved onto the rifleman. He got incapped in 4 quick shots (used startle shot after a body/headshot and he couldnt heal, 1 more headshot = incap), jedi healed him, 2 more shots incapped again. He had the heal bug where he healed+incapped at the same time, so i tripled him in a few more shots. Moved onto the 2nd jedi, and almost had him incapped alot of times. He ran and made it to the water (NPC blew my bike)

Basically all that means riflemen are far from underdogs if you know how to play them, no matter what you say, its the skill and timing that counts

and yeah, after those 2 weeks of pvp, more or less, im up to a 1760 pvp rating, mostly all of it gained from soloing

pick up lots of accuracy tapes and some speed to go along with it, exo-protein wafers, and youre set

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Meh, a Master Carb/Pistoleer/4-0-4-0 CM would Fustigate you..... Especially with the Action changes on medical proffs.

Here are some thoughts on improving Rifleman as a Nuker/Damage Dealer, that could be controversial.

First, I thought of a "simple" change to Sniper Shot that would make using it highly valuable and offset the Healing Power of other Professions. It would not involve changing the timers or the Damage mod, and would not alter the range restrictions. While I wouldn't mind being able to fire the shot from Kneeling and possibly standing, that isnt part of my thought. Make Sniper Shot do 100% Wound Damage.

This wouldn't make the shot a instant killer, but to my knowledge wound damage cannot be healed while in combat. The typical amount of damage done by this shot would casue a significant reduction in our opponents Health that Bacta and Stim Ds can't fix. Combined with a snare or root, a second Sniper Shot would be nearly lethal. While other professions could outdamage us, no-one would have the lasting effect we would have.

Secondly, I love Cover and Conceal Shot - but I wonder what we give up to have it. I would love to see Cover changed so that is is complimentary to the Ranger's new abilities, so that a MRiflesentient/MRanger doesnt have any redundant skills...but I wonder what could be gained if we gave up that skill line in exchange for a Warning Shot (isnt that what we had before) that reduced MOB Hate, and maybe a ranged Armor Break, or even our ranged Death Blow back. At any rate, I am nervous about the Fac that Ack asked the Devs a while back what would or wouldn't change to our Cover and the Devs said nothing...so perhaps if we voluntarily gave it up and suggested what we want to replace it we would have some input into that change, instead of a stealth Nerf (pun intended).

I think the impending snare/root changes might fix our Kneecap Shot issues, but I also think I might not fully understnd what Startle Shot is suppsoed to do...and I might ot be the only one. I read above from one poster exclaiming the wonder that is Startle Shot, and think if all Riflesentients understood the special better we might be benefitted. The description says something about preventing posture change, but I got the impression it does more. Could someone explain what this special actually does?

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MyraKat wrote:

Teh following is a big blob of stuff that probably doesnt make sense, read at your own risk.

If you don't think startle shot is useful, then you are doing something very wrong. With my bowcaster, i can normally drop people to 1/3 health or so before they notice it, depending on profession/armor... but if you get them low enough and pop a startle shot, that takes people to just low enough for one headshot to incap. Startle shot = you cant heal unless you stim or ruby bliel+stim (can take a while to figure out why you cant use bacta whatever), headshot, that persons incapped, and you win. I restarted my character about a 2-3 weeks ago and have been playing rifleman ever since (i was a rifleman WAAYY way back, as well as others..., and on my character when i came back to the game 2 months ago or so). It's virtually impossible for me to lose a 1v1 as it is... my template being Master Rifles, Master Pistols, and 4004 CM. Today i found myself in Cnet against 2 jedi and what seemed to be a commando/rifleman, i killed one of the jedi in about a minute (using exo-protein and deuterium pyro or however its spelled most of the time), and moved onto the rifleman. He got incapped in 4 quick shots (used startle shot after a body/headshot and he couldnt heal, 1 more headshot = incap), jedi healed him, 2 more shots incapped again. He had the heal bug where he healed+incapped at the same time, so i tripled him in a few more shots. Moved onto the 2nd jedi, and almost had him incapped alot of times. He ran and made it to the water (NPC blew my bike)

Basically all that means riflemen are far from underdogs if you know how to play them, no matter what you say, its the skill and timing that counts

and yeah, after those 2 weeks of pvp, more or less, im up to a 1760 pvp rating, mostly all of it gained from soloing

pick up lots of accuracy tapes and some speed to go along with it, exo-protein wafers, and youre set

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