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Thread: State of the Rifleman -=Sunday Oct 16 2005=-
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Uthyr
Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:58 pm
#1
That's a nice summary of the current state of our profession--I agree with everything you said. What can we possibly do to improve our situation though other than making it known to the devs that things need major improvement? If a petition would help, I would gladly /sign.
By the way Ack, you seem to have your lost sense of time upon returning from your vacation (not necessarily a bad thing!). Check the date on this thread title.
Ackehece
Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:01 pm
#2
seems I am losing my mind (or I accidently submitted it early)
anyway I think it is something we need to address as it is the core of our problems...
fixed the date
Rifle Image > Rifle Reality
Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-16-2005 04:02 PM
Uthyr
Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:07 pm
#3
Ackehece wrote:
Rifle Image > Rifle Reality
QFE.
Now if we can just increase the right-hand side of that inequality so that it becomes an equation...
Drakenya
Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:59 pm
#4
Not sure if this is covered under long windup on aim, but its part of it. The time aim lasts just aint worth it with the windup, especially as it breaks covers (why?) and if you aim, then sniper/conceal, thats it. For the extra damage it gives, its better to take another damage shot than to apply aim.
AdmiralSeer
Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:04 pm
#5
Ackehece,
We really need to talk and get the devs attention. I for one believe that most of our griefs/problems could be easily taken care of with some very easy changes/fixes "thrown" in at a single publish. We're not talking about hours of programing issues...we're talking about simple fixes, changes to a few equations involving our specials or a few changes in rifle properites or certifications.....for the most part......simple fixes.
You are the correspondent for us. You are our primary tool for communication to the devs. I don't know that I've seen a dev bother to post or even comment on our proffession in months. What do we need to do? Can you take our petition to them? Will they listen to you? Can they give us some feedback?
I for one love the rifleman proffession with all my heart, and fixed or working I will always be a rifleman. I also realize that their are proffesions more broken then ours. But we need something! You are right on the mark when you say we are missunderstood by the community and I want to know how we can fix that!
This being said, you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. ...let me know, and I am willing to do my part.(edit: just in case someone confuses my frustration as a suggestion .)..I So what do you say, can you help us? Because as I said before....I believe you are our best tool so let us help you help us!
.)..I So what do you say, can you help us? Because as I said before....I believe you are our best tool so let us help you help us!Message Edited by AdmiralSeer on 10-17-2005 01:45 AM
Message Edited by AdmiralSeer on 10-17-2005 01:46 AM
Ackehece
Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:35 pm
#6
AdmiralSeer wrote:
Ackehece,
We really need to talk and get the devs attention. I for one believe that most of our griefs/problems could be easily taken care of with some very easy changes/fixes "thrown" in at a single publish. We're not talking about hours of programing issues...we're talking about simple fixes, changes to a few equations involving our specials or a few changes in rifle properites or certifications.....for the most part......simple fixes.
well no fix is truely simple - that is something I have learned since becomeing a correspondent (and no idea is ever unmodified by the devs even if they like the idea. But We can bring ideas forward (if you have some that don't seem to unbalance the game play feel free to post em!
You are the correspondent for us. You are our primary tool for communication to the devs. I don't know that I've seen a dev bother to post or even comment on our proffession in months. What do we need to do? Can you take our petition to them? Will they listen to you? Can they give us some feedback?
Wish I was more effective but the devs reply and answer only those questions they want to (and that only means at the time they are interested not on our schedule). Many correspondents get frustrated and quit (and some quit because of it just before big info comes out to them. As for an avenue of communication - you generally know when I do when changes are coming (I have been warned about changes only twice and that only a day or two in advance) They do listen - I think, sometimes . As for feedback well we can only try to get their attention.
things that correspondents have told that devs and have been totally ignored over:
They totally ignored my questions about how cover and the new invisiblity rules would be affected. And the ignored our input that SLs would either need tiny buffs (making sl not worthwhile) or a limit of 1 leader who can do the group buffs (check the result of that now in the bh and the jedi forums). Smugglers wanting a slicing system that had drawbacks and not loot based components. Crafters getting hosed everytime a new expansion shows up. and the list goes on....
I for one love the rifleman proffession with all my heart, and fixed or working I will always be a rifleman. I also realize that their are proffesions more broken then ours. But we need something! You are right on the mark when you say we are missunderstood by the community and I want to know how we can fix that!
Perception issues are always the hardest to fix. The devs told people we were nukers so people believed em (imagine that - the only time the pop believed em) Basically our press has not been outgoing enough to bring to light the problems we have (my fault T_T) so people tend to assume there is nothing wrong with us. We need to make a concentrated effort to make sure misinfo about us does not get out.
things like snipershot is the uber... who has not heard that.. but most players do not understand it's limitations
This being said, you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. PM a dev every day, post for a dev reply every week, post to every forum about the myth of the rifleman.......let me know, and I am willing to do my part. So what do you say, can you help us? Because as I said before....I believe you are our best tool so let us help you help us!
basically all we can do is allow me to bring up our shortcomings to the devs in the correspondent forums. Then (and this is where you all can help) if you see someone post that X + Rifleman is uber strong point out that x + Bh or x+ Carbineer or x + meleer is probably stronger in a follow up post. Be prepared to back up that though. Make sure they understand we don't have states that do anything anymore (thank you chain shooters....) and that our role was to be nukers but we are out nuked by many ranged professions and almost all melee professions.
Message Edited by Ackehece on 10-16-2005 11:47 PM
Ackehece
Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:38 pm
#7
AdmiralSeer wrote:
Ackehece,
This being said, you tell me what to do, and I'll do it. PM a dev every day, post for a dev reply every week, post to every forum about the myth of the rifleman.......let me know, and I am willing to do my part. So what do you say, can you help us? Because as I said before....I believe you are our best tool so let us help you help us!
forgotsome things that you need to know ^_^ :
Telling people to pm devs is never a good idea (in fact a correspondent has been removed for suggesting it to their constituents before) . Cross posting is also something that will get you in trouble (banned under forum rules) so best to just get involved when someone else brings the subject up.
AdmiralSeer
Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:43 pm
#8
Ackehece wrote:
forgotsome things that you need to know ^_^ :
Telling people to pm devs is never a good idea (in fact a correspondent has been removed for suggesting it to their constituents before) . Cross posting is also something that will get you in trouble (banned under forum rules) so best to just get involved when someone else brings the subject up.
Arrrg....These things I know and I would never actually do. It was more an expression at my frustration. All i'd really like is to see a post from you saying:
"Hey rifles! good news! Devs have commented on our proffession and said they will look into maybe getting some fixes out to us soon!"
......so what can you do to get that message to use Ackehece?
Message Edited by AdmiralSeer on 10-17-2005 01:51 AM
Ackehece
Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:49 pm
#9
AdmiralSeer wrote:
Ackehece wrote:
forgotsome things that you need to know ^_^ :
Telling people to pm devs is never a good idea (in fact a correspondent has been removed for suggesting it to their constituents before) . Cross posting is also something that will get you in trouble (banned under forum rules) so best to just get involved when someone else brings the subject up.
Arrrg....These things I know and I would never actually do. It was more an expression at my frustration. All i'd really like is to see a post from you saying:
"Hey rifles! good news! Devs have commented on our proffession and said they will try to impliment one or two of the easy fixes for us in the next patch....cheers!"
......so what can you do to get that message to use Ackehece?
show em our problems and then pray, beg, plead, cry, whimper, whine like a Jedi or BH I guess... but outside of that I literally can not do anything more.
MyraKat
Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:59 pm
#10
Teh following is a big blob of stuff that probably doesnt make sense, read at your own risk.
If you don't think startle shot is useful, then you are doing something very wrong. With my bowcaster, i can normally drop people to 1/3 health or so before they notice it, depending on profession/armor... but if you get them low enough and pop a startle shot, that takes people to just low enough for one headshot to incap. Startle shot = you cant heal unless you stim or ruby bliel+stim (can take a while to figure out why you cant use bacta whatever), headshot, that persons incapped, and you win. I restarted my character about a 2-3 weeks ago and have been playing rifleman ever since (i was a rifleman WAAYY way back, as well as others..., and on my character when i came back to the game 2 months ago or so). It's virtually impossible for me to lose a 1v1 as it is... my template being Master Rifles, Master Pistols, and 4004 CM. Today i found myself in Cnet against 2 jedi and what seemed to be a commando/rifleman, i killed one of the jedi in about a minute (using exo-protein and deuterium pyro or however its spelled most of the time), and moved onto the rifleman. He got incapped in 4 quick shots (used startle shot after a body/headshot and he couldnt heal, 1 more headshot = incap), jedi healed him, 2 more shots incapped again. He had the heal bug where he healed+incapped at the same time, so i tripled him in a few more shots. Moved onto the 2nd jedi, and almost had him incapped alot of times. He ran and made it to the water (NPC blew my bike) 
Basically all that means riflemen are far from underdogs if you know how to play them, no matter what you say, its the skill and timing that counts
and yeah, after those 2 weeks of pvp, more or less, im up to a 1760 pvp rating, mostly all of it gained from soloing
pick up lots of accuracy tapes and some speed to go along with it, exo-protein wafers, and youre set
AdmiralSeer
Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:01 pm
#11
MyraKat wrote:
Teh following is a big blob of stuff that probably doesnt make sense, read at your own risk.
If you don't think startle shot is useful, then you are doing something very wrong. With my bowcaster, i can normally drop people to 1/3 health or so before they notice it, depending on profession/armor... but if you get them low enough and pop a startle shot, that takes people to just low enough for one headshot to incap. Startle shot = you cant heal unless you stim or ruby bliel+stim (can take a while to figure out why you cant use bacta whatever), headshot, that persons incapped, and you win. I restarted my character about a 2-3 weeks ago and have been playing rifleman ever since (i was a rifleman WAAYY way back, as well as others..., and on my character when i came back to the game 2 months ago or so). It's virtually impossible for me to lose a 1v1 as it is... my template being Master Rifles, Master Pistols, and 4004 CM. Today i found myself in Cnet against 2 jedi and what seemed to be a commando/rifleman, i killed one of the jedi in about a minute (using exo-protein and deuterium pyro or however its spelled most of the time), and moved onto the rifleman. He got incapped in 4 quick shots (used startle shot after a body/headshot and he couldnt heal, 1 more headshot = incap), jedi healed him, 2 more shots incapped again. He had the heal bug where he healed+incapped at the same time, so i tripled him in a few more shots. Moved onto the 2nd jedi, and almost had him incapped alot of times. He ran and made it to the water (NPC blew my bike)
Basically all that means riflemen are far from underdogs if you know how to play them, no matter what you say, its the skill and timing that counts
and yeah, after those 2 weeks of pvp, more or less, im up to a 1760 pvp rating, mostly all of it gained from soloing
pick up lots of accuracy tapes and some speed to go along with it, exo-protein wafers, and youre set
see? now at least someone knows how to brighten my day! 
thx for the input mate...wanna duel? lol
seriously though......a VERY good point
Ackehece
Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:08 pm
#13
MyraKat wrote:
Teh following is a big blob of stuff that probably doesnt make sense, read at your own risk.
If you don't think startle shot is useful, then you are doing something very wrong. With my bowcaster, i can normally drop people to 1/3 health or so before they notice it, depending on profession/armor... but if you get them low enough and pop a startle shot, that takes people to just low enough for one headshot to incap. Startle shot = you cant heal unless you stim or ruby bliel+stim (can take a while to figure out why you cant use bacta whatever), headshot, that persons incapped, and you win. I restarted my character about a 2-3 weeks ago and have been playing rifleman ever since (i was a rifleman WAAYY way back, as well as others..., and on my character when i came back to the game 2 months ago or so). It's virtually impossible for me to lose a 1v1 as it is... my template being Master Rifles, Master Pistols, and 4004 CM. Today i found myself in Cnet against 2 jedi and what seemed to be a commando/rifleman, i killed one of the jedi in about a minute (using exo-protein and deuterium pyro or however its spelled most of the time), and moved onto the rifleman. He got incapped in 4 quick shots (used startle shot after a body/headshot and he couldnt heal, 1 more headshot = incap), jedi healed him, 2 more shots incapped again. He had the heal bug where he healed+incapped at the same time, so i tripled him in a few more shots. Moved onto the 2nd jedi, and almost had him incapped alot of times. He ran and made it to the water (NPC blew my bike)
Basically all that means riflemen are far from underdogs if you know how to play them, no matter what you say, its the skill and timing that counts
and yeah, after those 2 weeks of pvp, more or less, im up to a 1760 pvp rating, mostly all of it gained from soloing
pick up lots of accuracy tapes and some speed to go along with it, exo-protein wafers, and youre set
if you read correctly what I am saying = we are not total underdogs = but we are over rated. I would not say our states are 100% useless (there is a role for each of our specials) but that role is very limited. Also your template fills in many of the flaws of the rifleman comes with (CM states and pistoleer states) but to say we areok because of 1 or 2 templates that work well ignores the 100s of other combos that are possible to play and don't play well. Try other combos that don't have healing and see how well they work or go doc and not take a profession with lots of states.
btw: my pvp rating is1937 and I never solo pvp
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