Rifleman Archive

Thread: Pistoleer is too powerful.

AssassinRei
Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:22 am
#14

Pistoleer and pistols are overpowered.

A Lot of Pistoleer's skills can kill in one hit.

Such as the Stopping Shot, read that Description, it states its a 1 hit kill skill and ive seen many people die to it in one shot.

Pistols have almost perfect accuracy, Too High damage(ive seen them outdamage some rifles and most carbnies), far faster then most rifles and some carbines, and VERY low HAm cost.



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obsid1an
Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:11 pm
#15

What really needs to be done is make pistols have a very low changes to hit past 40-45 meters.



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AldeonAvardulin
Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:13 pm
#16

Im really amused as by the posted above. Dont come here expecting us to lsiten to you when you start out cursing and at the end, saying if you nerf me I nerf you. I know you are but what am I!



A pistoleer should not be able to shoot as accurate as us from 64 meters out. Its our one and only advantage. Pistols have speed, Carbines are just there, Rifles have range. Everyone can one shot anyone with the right weapon. So saying someone one shot you and that they should be nerfed is gonig to get you far. So when you can shoot just as accurate as us from 64 meters out, you have the speed on us as well, our only advantage then is mind damage. That leaves us with only mind dmg.




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Rwyan
Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:14 pm
#17

For some reason, I have a feeling that not only is the ranged vs melee balance slightly out of whack, but the balance between the ranged weapons is out of whack. Both issues need to be looked into.
robruce
Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:05 pm
#18

It is absolutely amazing seeing you all whine. This game is full of a bunch of people whining about the abilities of others, when they should be commenting on their own abilities. DE whine about CH, Riflement whine about Pistoleers etc... I feel like I am listenign to a bunch of kids inpreschool. If you think pistols are so damned good, you should have made a pistoleer, instead of making something else then whining pistols are too good.
MrTokai
Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:27 pm
#19

very nice reminder.


stupid argument(on: "you should have made the current_overpowered_class instead")


but i do agree that people here need to be reminded to be productive instead of whining for nerfs on other classes...


A couple of weeks ago, there were very few riflemen (cause the class kinda sux in pvm especially)


now there are tons cause it seems more and more people have heard about rifleman's power in PvP.. and with the bigger mass that took this class cause they wanna be uber... the bigger the whining is cause they realize that its not uber =/... (i'm talking aboutthose bandwagon_jumper =) so to my fellow riflemen, please don't feel offended)


anyway, nowadays traffic output in the rifleman board is quite high, but the content is sounding more and more like the CH board (either post to nerfrifle or nerf others anduberize rifle)

JaveRel
Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:48 am
#20

BULLCRAP!!!


Stop your whining you big babies! I don't know how many times I've been killed in one shot by your darn overpowered laser rifles and such. You just dont get it do you. 64 meters please! Bullets travel farther and just as accurate in the real world so don't try and tell me that in the SWG world that my pistol has lame arse range. You guys just suck is what it is. Rifle's are not a close range weapon. Nor are they good for running and gunning. If your tired of being poped then get a pistol doh! It does not take much to become decently proficient with one. Bottom line is its a one shot kill on both sides sometimes so stop complaining and learn to get better. I know guys that go to anchorhead all the time and snipe all day. They get like 10 kills before anyone can touch them. I know when I see a rifleman in a group I charge him full blast and hit him with everything I've got! And that means my stopping shot if needs be. Because if this guy with his rifle gets off one shot that hits me I'm probably toast. It's a game of give and take. Don't go hunting alone and you'll have a better chance of surviving.



By the way if you want to nerf some of our abilities then be ready to have your own nerfed. Turn and Turn about. You know the funny thing is I use both my rifle and my pistol. I love getting that head shot on a guy who has the low mind pts.



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baw
Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:10 am
#21

Folks, in case you haven't noticed, this game is broken.


Ranged combat is not balanced. Pistols shouldn't be able to hit so hard, so fast, from so far away.


PvP is broken. PvP damage needs to be cut in half or some such thing, otherwise it will never be more than one shot kills, and there is little fun in that.


Melee vs. Ranged is broken. Ranged shouldn't be able to kite melee like they do.


Yes pistols are overpowered. But there are many other factors that contribute to the overall broken-ness of things. I would love to see pistol range reduced, I'm tired of having pistoleers kill me from 64m. Pistols have, byfar,the highest DPS of any weapons in the game, and for balance sake, all weapons should have similar DPS. Riflemen need to be more viable snipers, because that is what we are supposed to be. As it is, pistoleers can snipe as well as we can. It doesn't make sense.


The devs really are fixing things. Have patience. Don't worry too much aboutPvP or class balance or any of this other stuff rightnow, wait until all the bugs are worked out a couple of months from now. This is beta 4, and its going to take time.


Bring on the flames.





baw
(Sarcasm highly intended.)

Kluss
Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:16 am
#22

Amen Baw. Enjoy your paid beta and lose the hate.



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Dyslexia
Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:24 am
#23

Why are we on the Riflemen boards complaining about the Pistoleer class?

Ever hear about the boy who cried nerf?

Lets focus on making rifleman what they should be, and let pistoleers and higher powers worry about pistoleers.



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VectorWega
Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:45 am
#24






Dyslexia wrote:

Lets focus on making rifleman what they should be, and let pistoleers and higher powers worry about pistoleers.




Ummm, we already tried that. The rifle should be able to shoot 100+ meters. That is impossible. The only way to balance this is by making the pistol less accurate from distances.


There are still a lot of problems with the pvp. I agree with many of the above points including the kiting of melee players (melee players not being able to hit while moving...totally bs) and the one shot kills. It would be nice if a fight would last longer than 5 seconds.

Nagorak
Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:52 am
#25

Right now pistols are insanely overpowerd. A good Scout Blaster has a DPS approaching 50(!!!), meanwhile most Laser Rifles have a DPS of just over 30. Most good Carbines have a DPS of just over 30 (even those from a master Smith).

And, to top it all off the Scout Blaster is super low in the pistol tree. Where is the balance in that????
Realness
Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:58 am
#26

Yup I agree with this issue,


Rifles should have the best positive from furthest away no doubt about that.


same goes for carbines at mid range and pistol at close range.


If a pistol or carbine has the better positive modifier at max range then something is very wrong here.


Devs please take a look into this and fix this asap.



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