Rifleman Archive
Thread: rifleman and the new delay
TheDarkTrumpet
Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:11 am
#14
deviousanarchy wrote:You can't do **** in this game without armor+buffs. The devs will tell you it's supposed to help the economy. Like how a 4mil rifle will eventually be destroyed leaving you suckerless. This hella sucks screw SWG I'm joining the WoW side where the nerf bat doesn't touch everything in sight.
I beg to differ.
I'm a wookie, and tonight I took off all my armor, and used only brandy. I went after a lot of things on Dathomir, and was easily able to take down everything I wanted to. I spent a good 2-3 hours hunting tonight, by myself - no buffs or armor. Even when I was agroed on, I got out of there without dying. heck, I wasn't even incaped at all during the course of my hunting.
Something that I've noticed about this game, that's actually quite annoying, is the fact people rely on buffs and armor for everything. What do I mean? Well, many many months ago i was going TKA. This was before it was popular, and still really buggy (the old teras kasi artists will know what I'm talking about). I hunting from novice tka to master tka on dathomir. I was (and still am) a wookie, had no armor, and this was before buffs became popular. I was forced to use strategy to keep myself alive. I had to lure one giant baz out at a time, kill it, then repeat. yes, this is a VERY long process, but it was able to be done.
What happens today? Someone gets buffed, puts on their 80+% kinetic resist composite armor, agroes about 2-5 redcon dathomir animals, and tanks them all. Their HAM doesn't reduce at all, and they win the battle fairly quickly. I know this from experience because my other character is a human. I put on my armor, get buffed, and can take on a nightsister elder. Is this right?
The point I'm trying to make is that this game can still be soloed as needed under reasonable circumstances and patience. I agree going up to a rancor lair, mask scent, cover, and spam conceal shot over and over isn't the fastest way to kill the enemy, but it can be done. What happens if I get agroed on? I throw a trap to slow them down, grab my bike and run. I come back after a bit and resume.
This game needs a lot more strategy. I don't think people should be able to solo extremely high level MOBS. I hope this combat rebalance heavily nerfs everyone, including me. The nerf should balance everyone out to the point where groups become popular again, and no I don't mean solo groups.
BTW I'm still working on rifleman on Dathomir. I'm currently a 0/1/0/2, soon to be 1/1/0/2 (when I can get trained). In other words, I'm a very weak and slow rifleman - but I have a lot of patience, even if it takes me a good 2-4 minutes to kill one quenker on my own. I'm doing it without buffs or armor (most times, I used armor at first until my HAM dropped too fast)
Hicinus
Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:57 am
#15
Raruk wrote:
Qustion, how many rifleman are upset with the new delay added into the game?
I am very up set over this delay, I think it's extremely damageing to our profetion and our abiltiy to hunt. I know why the delay was put into place. to keep jedi from putting on armor, then using a macro to strip the armor off, spam out force powers and put the armor back on. but why did this "Fix" have to effect profetions that do not explot in that way.
I mean, im just a lonly rifleman, I dont get buffs unless im hunting extremely large animals, I dont wear composit armor, I just use foods to lower my mind costs using rifles, and ubese armor when i need it. Im not exacly high up in the tree for rifleman, so right now i tend to go prone, and use conseal shot on yellow, con animals with my T21, or jawa ion gun. Then when the animal, or pack notice me, i will kneel, put ubese on and use a closer range weapon in the hopes to finish it off. normaly i end up eating a ton of stims just to keep alive but it works and it's not fast, or easy exp it's still exp and gives me pleasure.
But with this new delay i find that when an animal notices me, im dead before i even change positosn, or get more then my ubese boots on. let alone the entire set, change to kneel, or stand and change weapon. this also effect how we heal or keep shooting.
The best way i can see to get around this is to join the club with all the 24hr comp wearing people that get buffs to hunt. I didn't think the Devs invitioned that a requirement to hunt was to wear armor, and get buffs. just to attack 1 con yellow animal.
I know the dev's can think of a better way that makes it so jedi can't wear armor, i know it's harder than adding a delay to the tool bar, but please guys/girls do it. for your punishing every combat profetion just so you can keep a few exploters from cheating..
sowi
I'm not reading all the other posts but I'd like to comment directly on this one.
Alot of those 24hr composite wearing people taht get buffs to hunt are not going after 1 yellow con mob. Most of them are going after 5-10 red con mobs. These happen to be mobs that con red to a group of 5-6 Masters of major combat professions. I must say though that this delay really sucks.I don't even need an armor macro now. Looks likea slot just opend upon my quick bar.
One thing I'm going to miss is switching to my T-21 while the animation for Flame Single 2 is still going. Gotta love the flaming T-21.
Devero
Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:23 am
#16
I don't mind the new delays. Everyone knew they were coming and it was just a question of how much.
I hunted for 4 hours last night and aside from SS21 being quite a bit slower, I had no difficulties at all. And I have never worn armor except perhaps some Malbari for looks. And it is something like 12% resist.
The best thing to do is to accept the fact that we were overpowered.... The stats tell them that much. I just hope they tweak the TKA's and swordsmen in a similar fashion. Noone ought to be able to slap a Canyon Krayt around solo while afk.
firespyer
Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:19 am
#17
99% of the time i where my armor... as a just incase
I did get caught with my helmat off and paid for it, until it equiped
the weapon switch times are just stupid, they give us different damage types for a reason, you should be able to switch between them. I mean this does make the game alittle more realistic... but what the hell in this game is realistic
TheDarkTrumpet
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:31 am
#18
SexyJabbaTheHutt wrote:Yes, let's all wait for the combat balance. Then cancel all our accounts. It's not everyone that has the chance to group up. I play weird hours and hardly ever pvp (bugged) so I'm on my own most of the times. My guildmates aren't on or most any friends aren't. I know it's not "star warsy" to solo a krayt but you know, I just can't dig a huge pit and cover it with leaves and tree branches for it to fall in.The minute I can't loot alone is the minute I leave this game. And alot of ppl will be coming with me
Just because you can't solo everything possibly in the combat rebalance doesn't mean you need to quit the game.
You were saying that you're on when your friends are not. Why not go to someplace like Dathomir, or Dantooine - and form a group? Heck, when I was on Dantooine once, I was trying to level to novice rifle. I formed a group of 4-5 lower-level people, which we hunted together for 3-4 hours. It was a lot of fun, something I liked doing.
Some of the most fun in the game was when many people took on something that was very hard to beat. I remember, in moenia, myself and 30 some odd people trying to kill a rogue fambaa. Only thing we had equipped was a CDEF weapon. It was fun, it's something I miss. What happens in cities now? People spamming so bad that it's likely one can crash. Cities like Moenia aren't even used any more.
It's sad, the game got so individualistic, I wish it was different.
EHDevin
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:33 am
#19
No problem with the armor thing. Don't really wear it.
But switching weapons?! The 5 second delay is a game killer for me. This one is just too much. I've been a Rifleman from day one and now I'm thinking of changing it or possibly just leaving. And that's just sad....
Seraph00X
Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:31 am
#20
I can see the weapon/armor equip delay as being more realistic than it was before mostly because I'd hit a macro to throw up my armor if I got into deep dookie. However, I don't think realism can be used as an excuse considering this is a game where people run up steep (like straight up and down) cliffs when they ought to be climbing, or where you sit in a chair and slide across the room while still in sitting position..... granted the second is a bug, but it's been there over a year now, and instead of fixing that they go and put a delay on how fast you can change your armor or switch your wepapon. Are there priority problems there? you betcha.
RobbPilot
Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:12 pm
#21
The really stupid part of all of this is that it is something that could/should have been in from the start... or at least very early on. Why do this when the game is pretty much on the downward spiral of losing players for a variety of reasons?
At this point, the devs should be trying to make life more pleasant and entertaining for the players that remain... kind of like a doctor putting his terminal patient on a morphine drip to ease the suffering while waiting for the end to come.
Instead, you get electroshock therapy... LOL
Just count backwards from 100 slowly... that's it... just go into the light. There are other games out there.
KnightHawk420
Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:41 pm
#22
From my time lastnight, there doesn't appear to be a weapon switch delay, rather it queues up in the combat queue and fires off as just another item in the queue or so it seems. Granted it'san invisible item in the queue.
Now the armorswitch delay, that bugs. Combat or not, it takes forever it seems to get armor on now. 
Feynan
Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:31 pm
#23
I don't mind it that much. The most annoying part for me is now it's really hard to do my Unarmed KD macro (I'd dizzy with rifle, then hit a macro that equipped VK's, KD'd, then re-equipped my rifle). It was my favourite move, it's really hard to do now though.
As someone said though, I really, really hate how you can't do anything without armor + buffs, especially PvP. Everyone seems to be buffed and in full composite nowadays, which leads to 3 minute fights. It's just not fun, especially since buffs are such a pain to get or are expensive.
Marussi
Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:57 pm
#24
thats was my fave move also rifle dizzy tk kd then back to head shot.....so I dropped TKM and picked Doc 4030 and 0040 pistoleer gives me a +50 in all the important defenses and allows me to cure poison disease etc. still a master rifleman and now i just switch weapons once from my acid 700 dmg to stick states and the nmy 500 + krayt jawa for damage if it is an easy fight i use my 416 jawa..
Marussi
Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:59 pm
#25
I get around the dealy by laying a 5 second macro, basially 5 shots...after u hit the marco switch weapon you will fire all 5 shots then immedialty change weapons no delay, worked for me but no good for tk to range hence why i am drooping melee, i also picked up suppresion fire to kneel opponentsd another way, now a lil akuan def rings some skill tapes and i am ready to go. also try tumble to standing while swicthin might make you less of a target during the dealy
SpawnofHell
Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:32 pm
#26
This has incapped me lots now trying to run around as a medic/doctor with no armour on is a joke as u cant survive a few hits atleast before i could quickly get few pieces on and have nearly full protect now i have to wear boots and gloves always or its just too long a wait. and it is out of combat everyone i know doesnt like it, i know it relistic and all but how od u fit 50 rifle in that wee backpack if where talking realistic here might as well limit us to small items and vat on all items income tax hell go the whole nine year make the whole serverfree for allin real term u can shot anyone u like.