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Thread: PETITION t21 sniper version
Insidius wrote:
And if you look at the army's new XM-8 rifle, you'll see that it, too can be modified for several different roles.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Gear_051104_XM8,00.html?ESRC=airforce-a.nl
Insidius wrote:
They said something similar about the M-16, until Vietnam saw a sniper version of it.
And if you look at the army's new XM-8 rifle, you'll see that it, too can be modified for several different roles.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Gear_051104_XM8,00.html?ESRC=airforce-a.nl
I don't see why the T-21 should be any different.
Message Edited by Insidius on 04-04-2005 12:50 PM
There is no effective sniper version of the M16. The simple fact is the the 5.56mm round is unsuited for that role. The same for the new XM-8. Putting a scope or longer barrel on a weapon doesn't automatically turn it into a sniper rifle.
The 5.56mm bleeds off energy to quickly and is to light of a round to make an effective sniping weapon. It isn't the weapon per se, it's the round. They do make sniper version of assault rifles. A great example is the Israeli Galil. There is both a regualr assault weapon version and a sniper version. However the sniper is a .308, not a 5.56mm.
The T21 is a large weapon. Could it be used as a sniper weapon? Considering the extremely short ranges of weapon in SWG it wouldn't really matter. The ranges are to short for any sniper weapon. That being beside the point, could it be used as a sniper weapon? Possibly.
They have put scopes on a Browning M2HB and gotten kill shots out to a mile plus. Thebutterfly trigger on the M2HB lets you fire semi-auto. A similar system was used in North Africa in WWII by the Germans with the MG34 on a tripod mount. It has a semi-auto trigger and a full auto trigger. The periscopes on the tripod allowed fairly accurate long range firing.
But just because it can be done, doesn't mean it's an effective use of the weapon.
Message Edited by Waste93 on 04-04-2005 06:58 PM
Waste93 wrote:T21 is NOT a sniper rifle. It's a machine gun.
SuddnDeath wrote:Currently the t21 looks very dumb if your trying to snipe something. Can we get a t21 that has a stock/scope, slower speed and higher dmg? The older version with be the gunner version, but i still think it needsa stock due to massive kick
They said something similar about the M-16, until Vietnam saw a sniper version of it.
And if you look at the army's new XM-8 rifle, you'll see that it, too can be modified for several different roles.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Gear_051104_XM8,00.html?ESRC=airforce-a.nl
I don't see why the T-21 should be any different.
Message Edited by Insidius on 04-04-2005 12:50 PM
Insidius wrote:
Waste93 wrote:T21 is NOT a sniper rifle. It's a machine gun.
SuddnDeath wrote:Currently the t21 looks very dumb if your trying to snipe something. Can we get a t21 that has a stock/scope, slower speed and higher dmg? The older version with be the gunner version, but i still think it needs a stock due to massive kick
They said something similar about the M-16, until Vietnam saw a sniper version of it.
trouble is..the T21 is more comparable to the SAW, then an M16
KardenTyrell wrote:
Insidius wrote:
Waste93 wrote:T21 is NOT a sniper rifle. It's a machine gun.
SuddnDeath wrote:Currently the t21 looks very dumb if your trying to snipe something. Can we get a t21 that has a stock/scope, slower speed and higher dmg? The older version with be the gunner version, but i still think it needs a stock due to massive kick
They said something similar about the M-16, until Vietnam saw a sniper version of it.
trouble is..the T21 is more comparable to the SAW, then an M16
I knew someone would counter with this.
See my editted post above.
Message Edited by KardenTyrell on 04-04-2005 09:58 PM
Waste93 wrote:
During Vietnam the US had to restart their sniper program. They had pretty much shut it down between conflicts. This also meant that they had a lack of adequate sniping weapons. They tried a number of ways to fill in the gap, including scoping M16s. Some even ordered regular hunting rifles from the US and had them shipped over. The official Army sniper rifle of that time was the M21. Which is an accurized M14. They put on a better barrel, glass bedded the stock, used match ammo, and of course added the scope (Redfield 3-9X). The Marines I believe went with a modified Remington 700 model.
HarlequinMK19 wrote:
Yes, the Marines went with the Remington 700, which I believe later turned into the M40A1 once it was offically "adopted".
I prefer to think of scoped M-16s (andany otherscoped assault weapon)as "sharpshooter's" guns. They have the ability to project a longshot in a pinch, but they will never hold up to a true sniper's rifle...but that's just my classification of them.
And the XM-8...I hate that thing...lol. I don't care how functional it is...I do not want to see U.S. soldiers lugging that thing around
Yes it's the M40. I believe the Army went to those also.
Two things about the M16. You will occassionaly see scoped M16s with SWAT teams. Reason being they set up fairly close to the target. So long range shooting isn't an issue. However most SWAT teams still use a heavier caliber bolt action rifle for their sniper weapon.
The other is that the military puts on point sights (ACOGs)on M16s and their variants now. These look like scopes and could easily be confused as such. However they are not telescopic sights. They are low magnification red dot sights for very quick point and shoot capability. But they aren't sniper scopes.
What can I say. I like my weapons and history.
Bermag wrote:
OMG now you havegot Waste gpoing on his favourite(?) topic
