Rifleman Archive

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Peudas wrote:
OMG where are you guys getting this 2.5x damage thing? It was TAKEN OUT MONTHS AGO. Its not simply a + to hit. /shakeshead

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Yes its a +to hit. There is still no justification why we still have that instead of ranged having a +to hit on melee.

Dont think I've ever heard of anyone being able to intentionally dodge a bullet. If they are supposed to go through hell to reach us in their element then there should be something to make it as such. How the heck did they get this so backwards?

As for the people who say a pistoleer can almost match our damage outpust I would suggest you look at advance strafe.... that attack can almost outdamage my MLS jedi

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

Ok first nice 1 star bandit

The problem in PvP is with the 75% damage reduction in place, our DPS goes to hell, esp when we can't hit our targets half the time. Why can't we get TKM like accuracy?

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rifleman alone in pvp is not that good, their accuracy while moving will get you killed if u dont have something stacked with rifles. most people have tka, cm, fencer or something teamed with rifles to make up for the weaknesses rifles have been dealt.

if rifles had super accuracy, then all we would get is the huge nerf bat swung down on the profession, you have to have weaknesses and strengths to be balanced.

play to your rifle strength in pvp, stay at range, use a high modded accuracy Dxr-6 acid rifle, wear stun armor, have friends available to save you in case you get trapped, use buildings to your advantage etc etc.

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Kyreal wrote:

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

Ok first nice 1 star bandit

The problem in PvP is with the 75% damage reduction in place, our DPS goes to hell, esp when we can't hit our targets half the time. Why can't we get TKM like accuracy?

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rifleman alone in pvp is not that good, their accuracy while moving will get you killed if u dont have something stacked with rifles. most people have tka, cm, fencer or something teamed with rifles to make up for the weaknesses rifles have been dealt.

if rifles had super accuracy, then all we would get is the huge nerf bat swung down on the profession, you have to have weaknesses and strengths to be balanced.

play to your rifle strength in pvp, stay at range, use a high modded accuracy Dxr-6 acid rifle, wear stun armor, have friends available to save you in case you get trapped, use buildings to your advantage etc etc.

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Message Edited by BrerLapin on 12-13-2004 05:20 AM

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Kyreal wrote:

if rifles had decent defenses, they wouldnt be able to warrant our good damage output, a profession must have checks and balances to be effective, and with rifleman the defenses are meant to be our shortcoming, and rightfully so. we should be at distance, taking down enemies before they reach us, if they do reach us, we should be in for big trouble.

profession is working as it was intended, and if you play it right, you wont get hit much at all. gl in continuing the grind

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one could argue that a rifleman's ranged defenses are quite good, hell, stormtroopers only hit me 10% of the time, if that

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dimmu-borgir wrote:

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Kyreal wrote:

if rifles had decent defenses, they wouldnt be able to warrant our good damage output, a profession must have checks and balances to be effective, and with rifleman the defenses are meant to be our shortcoming, and rightfully so. we should be at distance, taking down enemies before they reach us, if they do reach us, we should be in for big trouble.

profession is working as it was intended, and if you play it right, you wont get hit much at all. gl in continuing the grind

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one could argue that a rifleman's ranged defenses are quite good, hell, stormtroopers only hit me 10% of the time, if that

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arg, true, the problem for me since I only PvE to pick up faction, is that a Tkm Hits me 95% of the time at his ideal range, but I can't nearly match that at my ideal.

It all boils down to this. All the offensive power inthe Galaxy, doesn't do jack unless you can put rounds on target.

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

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dimmu-borgir wrote:

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Kyreal wrote:

if rifles had decent defenses, they wouldnt be able to warrant our good damage output, a profession must have checks and balances to be effective, and with rifleman the defenses are meant to be our shortcoming, and rightfully so. we should be at distance, taking down enemies before they reach us, if they do reach us, we should be in for big trouble.

profession is working as it was intended, and if you play it right, you wont get hit much at all. gl in continuing the grind

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one could argue that a rifleman's ranged defenses are quite good, hell, stormtroopers only hit me 10% of the time, if that

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arg, true, the problem for me since I only PvE to pick up faction, is that a Tkm Hits me 95% of the time at his ideal range, but I can't nearly match that at my ideal.

It all boils down to this. All the offensive power inthe Galaxy, doesn't do jack unless you can put rounds on target.

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stack fencer 4-4-4-0 with master rifles and master marksmen...be sure to use citris snow cake and kneel...i hit defense stackers about 50% of the time all the time and with the added defenses I can usually tank enough that they either die or try to run...be sure to stick a stun on them to reduce their damage too. Also, once they get up on your be sure to land an intimidate so further nullify their defenses. With proper armor/buffs and using the right combination of rifle attacks (stack mind bleeds, stun, hs3) and suppoting attacks (intimidate) you should be able to win a fare share of engagements. My favoraite thing about rifleman is the attack power you get by only getting that class (I was a pistoleer/BH pistols/smuggler and had no more room for defenses to match the power of rifles). Also, I like having master marksman for the +10 accuracy and I have a few accuracy tapes too. Rifleman by no means is the "I WIN" class, but it is more than competitive in PvP

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MannyCalevera wrote:
As for the people who say a pistoleer can almost match our damage outpust I would suggest you look at advance strafe.... that attack can almost outdamage my MLS jedi

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It depends on the level. At Master you are absolutely correct. At lower levels (ie Novice)the speed and accuracy of a Pistol is higher given a relatively higher damage output.

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

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Kyreal wrote:

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

Ok first nice 1 star bandit

The problem in PvP is with the 75% damage reduction in place, our DPS goes to hell, esp when we can't hit our targets half the time. Why can't we get TKM like accuracy?

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rifleman alone in pvp is not that good, their accuracy while moving will get you killed if u dont have something stacked with rifles. most people have tka, cm, fencer or something teamed with rifles to make up for the weaknesses rifles have been dealt.

if rifles had super accuracy, then all we would get is the huge nerf bat swung down on the profession, you have to have weaknesses and strengths to be balanced.

play to your rifle strength in pvp, stay at range, use a high modded accuracy Dxr-6 acid rifle, wear stun armor, have friends available to save you in case you get trapped, use buildings to your advantage etc etc.

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see the inherent weekenss in that argument? Ranged ONLY advantage is there ability to stay out of range of melee fightersrange while dealing damage, the counter to that is that up close they can get torn up. Even with snowcake, and a +122 accideal range Imiss Fencer/defense stackers way to much. /aim is useless in PvP, becuase you can't run and aim at same time. If you stop or pause, your dead. In short, Its REALLY to outdamage regeneration if they have max mind stats, both mind buffs/brandy/canape. if they have any amount of medic, I'm toast using my non pool specific shots to. Last time I checked, there was nothing you could stack with rifles to increase there accuracy......FS ranged accuracy is broken.

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The overall problem with both is that even though we have +160 to accuracy at master that's only in effect while standing still. Most all combat requires the player to move in/out of ranges in order to keep some ideal range between agro and player if the player is a ranged profession. Rifleman have the slowest run speed out of all combat professions currently as this was done last December to counter the kiting problems that melee players complained about.

Something that was added to which makes melee a better choice is that they have only one set of numbers to which their accuracy is checked by. If you happen to have a melee profession to compliment your Rifleman or even ranged for that matter check to see how many different Accuracy modifiers you have for melee. In TK at master you have +210 to accuracy and that's it. There is no penalty to accuracy while moving so if one stacks Master TK with Master Brawler they now have access to a attack that is +210 while moving and can KD their victim from 20m out with most attacks able to be preformed at the 11 - 15m range depending on VKs. This is one of the many things that have bent over ranged professions as when we're on the move (as 98.99999% of all combat is in SW:G) ranged professions only have an accuracy of +30. Our only counter as a Rifleman is accuracy tapes and plates for moving along with snow cake and a high accuracy weapon preferably the DXR-6 but this still doesn't beat a Master Fencer, Master TK, Defense pistols + snow cake + air cake.

Message Edited by Veustuh on 12-16-2004 09:52 AM

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

Ok first nice 1 star bandit

The problem in PvP is with the 75% damage reduction in place, our DPS goes to hell, esp when we can't hit our targets half the time. Why can't we get TKM like accuracy?

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fromanxxxx wrote:

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Cpl_Fisher wrote:

Ok first nice 1 star bandit

The problem in PvP is with the 75% damage reduction in place, our DPS goes to hell, esp when we can't hit our targets half the time. Why can't we get TKM like accuracy?

A few solutions to this problem...

1) Buy accuracy tapes - i have almost maxed accuracy while moving, and about +17 regular from tapes, works wonders

2) Use your Drxb in PvP, it has great mods

3) Stop running when you are shooting, it works

4) get stun and intimidate on the stackers

5) Take accuracy food

One of these things is bound to help you

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i have +16 acc while moving, am always on accuracy food, and use +100 ideal accuracy rifles or better, best bet is to use flurry shot, flushing shot , then strafe shot. (the flurry shot to keep them burting on me) when they get withen 25m, warcry peace em, then whip out the flamethorwer