Rifleman Archive

Eye shot. Extremely fast(the usual pistol warp speed firing before the first shot is done), roughly 600-1000 mind damage output from what I've seen and it blinds.... I've even gone up against a few eye shotting people and was taken down before the fight began. This is just as bad, if not worse, than knockdown.

As I have not played BH, I have a few questions. Does this attack take huge amounts of mind per shot like us riflemen? Does it even take mind to do mind damage in this case? AND blind? Why dont riflemen have a blind shot? Afterall, rifles are (supposed to be) more accurate that pistols. You'd think after getting shot in the head with a rifle, you'd be messed up/blind/seeing triple/unconsious/knocked down.

A couple proposed fixes:

Make headshot 2 and/or 3 do something other than a little more damage and take a lot more mind. Perhaps a random effect of blind/dizzy/knockdown. Wait, not knockdown, bad rifleman how dare you think you can knock anything down with that big gun of yours.

Also, incase it doesn't take mind to eye shot or even if it doesn't take huge amounts. It should. It makes little sense than another class can easily and quickly dish out mind damage(PLUS BLIND!). I dont see riflemen firing off body shots or leg shots. Now maybe it wont be faster once these new T21s get around, but it's still something to take a look at in my opinion.

I'm a near master rifleman, only a couple trains off. I wouldn't even have brought this up if rifle was gimped up the arse, out the mouth and back up the arse again. If I could trade in my rilfe exp for pistol/BH or pistoleer, I would in a heartbeat. If only they had posted it on the game box "rifle is teh gimpzor." And I'm not going to work my way up another skill tree due to imbalance, I believe it will be fixed in time if people bother to bring the issues to the dev's attention.

As I understand it (and I am not a BH, but this is what I have read), Eyeshot costs ACTION DAMAGE. Which means that the Bounty Hunters have a skill that deals far more DPS than Headshot3 to the "unhealable" HAM Pool, but the only Pool it drains for them is Action. A healable one. This needs to be re-done for them. They need to lose some of that damage (to compensate for the Pistol speed) and they need to start feeling the heavy weight of Mind Drain.

wow, how the heck did someone get their eye-shot to hit that hard? It does so crappy damage that most pistol-Bounty Hunters don't use it unless they are in PvP. Honestly though, what I see from it is 300-400ish damage, BEFORE armor and BEFORE PvP damage reductioin... which means that my normal damage range in PvP with eye shot is roughly: 50-100... which means if I am wearing any decent armor then I can actually kill myself faster than my target.

The blind is okay too, but from what I've seen it doesn't really make them miss much more... combine this with the fact that if you go 'pure' BH then you can't master a second profession, and if you go pistoleer/BH then you can't have another profession AND don't have a knockdown OR a dizzy.

Oh, and unless you are at close range you will miss more than half the time, which means that those eye shots that are sucking the life out of your action will continue, while the mind damage just isn't enough unless you have someone that can't fight you back for some reason (like a riflemen at melee).

Also: Master bounty-hunter takes 217 skill-points... so you may say 'THEY get mind damage too? I thought we were supposted to be unique'. Trust me, that's a steep price to pay for the ability to damage mind, especially when it isn't an 'all-powerful' attack. My novice riflemen (which is why I saw this thread on this board) is WAY better at damaging mind damage with his laser rifle and headshot2... also my riflemen is planning on taking Doctor or CH all the way to master, which is something my BH can't do (actually can't even get novice CH with a master BH)

heh - eyeshot does huge dmage. Before the damage nerf, I used to goet one or two shotted by eyeshot all the time. I'm talking 900-1000 mind hits every 1.5 seconds.

plz dont whine u specialize in one weapon, dont cry nerf. its the only tree of bh that hasnt been screwed with. bh does spend some points to get what he has. thx flame away if u must.

exactly- we specialize in one wepon! - a sniper rifle. A BH has no business out-sniping a sniper.

I fought a good number of BH today and I'd have to say every single one just ran up and eye shot me about 5 -7 times and I dropped. I have 1000 mind, 500 focus, and 600 willpower. Maybe your BH has a crap pistol? Like I said, I don't play BH so I'm not 100% sure on their stats, but I was taking hits from about 150 to a little over 200 per shot. I was not wearing armor. I'd drop incap before my pet or I got off 2 attacks. My friend was also getting nailed with this. Perhaps he had a really good pistol and it was sliced really well, but even still, whipping out mind damage while using action is crazy. A whole classes power could be drawn from that one attack, you'd need none other for PvP, it's unhealable while action is. Riflemen should be the MASTER of mind damage, from what I've seen, they are not.

And maybe it's not even a long shot. How about if eye shot's main attack is to blind and does an actual small amount of damage, like actually small.... say 100 before armor and before PvP reduction. Like you said, if people dont use it except for PvP, why bother giving it so much damage?BH isn't a sniper is it? If I had known BH could snipe and other stuff at the same time while not taking 3x melee damage, I'd have gone that route. Like I said before, I'd gladly trade in my rifle exp for BH. I'd trade it all(that includes my near master CH)! And with the leftovers, I could snag a little first aid.

Guys back off of eye shot. i am a rifleman first and formost, but i was looking for something to help me out in my fights when i get the mind down to almost nothing and the mob is on me, then i have something to change over to finish taking them out.

SO LEAVE EYE SHOT ALONE!!!

Getting Eye Shot costs 185 skill points to get. People seem to always forget that fact

Getting Novice Rifleman costs 35 skill points. 55 skill points if you work up all the way to sniper shot

BH should be the ones complaining, not riflemen

Also bounty hunters arent even coming close to out sniping a rifleman, do you understand that their long range weapon (light lighting cannon) doesnt do any good damage and really isnt worth the time to train it up. then the ham cost for cabine is still almost as bad as that of a rifleman. also bh marks have around 10 ham. they need every weapon they can get (even at this i almost always use my rifle in the fight).

I don't see how everyone brings up the BH takes more skill points argument. If you notice it is the same amount of weapon exp to master BH, and riflemen. Getting there isn't really too hard, since you are leveling up two different professions that don't share exp. Also if I decide to take two combat professions, or maybe a medic riflemen, CH riflemen, don't I deserve the same amount of killing power as a BH? Right now I'm working on heavy swordsmen and riflemen, that equals about 2.7 million weapon exp, a lot more than BH, so by your standards I should be able to kill a BH 2/3 of the time in a straight up duel. As I see it BH is something a little different than all the other combat professions, it effectively mixes all the weapon tactics into one special elite profession.

the golden nerf bat of equality will one day haunt the minds of BH's. Not that i suport that move or advocate nerfing, but in a mmrpg the devs will always try and ballence.... the shock and horror seen from them on the T21, and subsiquent snap judgement nerf is a perfect example. Pistol, and BH, will have thier day.

Personally, I don't mind Bounty Hunters having Eyeshot. Let them have it. Great. But it should drain MIND POOL to hit MIND POOL. End of story. I am not upset that Bounty Hunters can hit to the Mind Pool. I am upset that they can hit to the Mind Pool and not suffer the penalty that Riflemen have to deal with when hitting to the Mind Pool. I am upset that the BEST Mind Pool attacks a Rifleman has are worthless against the one Mind Pool attack of the Bounty Hunter. Make Eyeshot HURT the shooter's Mind Pool the same way that Headshot 3 hurts ours, and I won't have any complaints.