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Thread: mindshot 2 and headshot 3 had no effect

Gawzeera
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:09 am
#1

whilst playing last night I was called to arms to defend a reb base from some pesky imps.the first one was no big deal(no offense if you read this) and a couple of headshot 2 and a mindshot from a damage sliced T-21 with a speed pup on, did the job quite well. well for my part anyway, as i was'nt the only one attacking the guy.


then another imp appeared who i guess was a pikeman/Combat med, as he was chucking diseases and such like there was no tomorrow, now this guy is what had me baffled, he took out a TKM and 3 other players, 1 of which was a bounty hunter.

I hit the guy with 3 headshot 3, 3 headshot 2, 2 mindshot2 and a flurry shot before he killed me.(mostly due to disease and my lack of mind after my volley of attacks.although i had drank 2 vials of BE vas brandy and munched down some muon gold just for the extra kick) but not only did his mind pool not reflect any damage neither the bleed from my mindshots nor the dizzy from my flurry affected him at all. now when i say they had no effect what i mean is, normaly when i hit someone or something with this attack i get a little icon next to they're name which shows that the effect of the attack has stuck. in this case nothing happened. but for him in order to dizzy me it looked like all he had to do was run past me.


is this common?

is it a bug??

is it an exploit or a cheat?

or should i just give up as far as killing player characters goes??


has anybody else had anything like this happen or seen anything like it?




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BoiZen
Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:26 am
#2

Well if he had following:

Mind buff from a mucian

drak 2 BE brandy +400

eat some carnap or arsh

and had a good comp armor on with high energi resist and a PSG with 40+ %

Its very posible that you dont damage him much with your 8 attacks...

he could have 3k+ to focus and willpower that combined with a good armor on 80-90 % energy resist and the PSG would make him very hard to hurt. You should also use a damage PU in PVP and unless you have a real good T21 you sould use a jawa stun rifle as it uses stun damage

plz type the stats on your T21.




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ThaContemplativePimp
Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 am
#3

Dude come on? A T21 in pvp?

Brandy: +430 min/focus/willpower x 2
Canape: +700 focus/willpower x 3(2 maybe)
80/80/80/70 Composite: 80% energy resists(could be sliced to 90%)
64% energy PSG(can also be sliced): etc.

Use a jawa or dxr.



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Stacker
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:56 am
#4

in short you should never use a t21 in pvp. ever. energy is one of the easiest damage types to defend against. a jawa however does stun damage and though it might not have a high max damage like your t21 its very hard to protect. most people wear around 35% stun armor if any, whereas they can have up to 90% energy resists. and if they have a PSG on then a dxr cuts right through that as they are vulnerable to acid damage. if he was human with full mind migration, 2 brandies, 2-3 canapes, muon, music/dance buffs, with 90% energy armor on with a PSG it is very likely that you didnt do any damage. also, he was a combat medic, so it is also quite possible he couldve healed his mind...i'm not 100% sure if you can heal your own mind as a CM as i have never been one, but that couldve been a factor too



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The_Great_Destroyer
Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:58 am
#5

I've got a 447 Jawa and a 776 T-21, and I almost always use the T-21 b/c the AP3 and already high damage really kick 'em around. The DXR-6b is ok, but I'm yet to get a really nice one. I mostly use it for PvE, though. I know you shot off all those attacks, but did you check if you ever hit him? With all the stackers, it'd be more than possible you missed 8 shots in a row.



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OditeFosore
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:49 am
#6

PVP is a different game. You see a strong PVP person coming your way, you know your dead unless you are truly prepared. Truly prepared means synthsteak eaten and not in your stomach, dancer and musician buffs for your mind, 2 brandies, powerboost activated, 80%+ sliced base comp with 40% stun layer, a 50%+ sliced Imperial PSG freshly equipped, a mix of foods in your stomach that covers your weaknesses in defense, 50%+ pikatta pie, not wearing extra encumb armor layers like so many still wear (pants, biceps, bracers...) and having strong krayt, acklay, and DOT weapons ready to go.


In your case, I'd guess that your attacks missed him and that's why you did no damage. Pikatta pie can account for that - it adds to the initial roll for whether an attack will hit or miss. T21's have poor range mods and if they aren't powered up with a range mod powerups, are useless in PVP unless you have already stuck a stun on your target. I'd also suggest getting deadeye serum (adds 50% to your accuracy), using a good range-mod dxr6 to stick stuns on your opponent instead of a T21, and to use Citros Snow cake (adds 40 to your accuracy). My $.02.



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slabby
Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:51 am
#7

35% stun resists, plus 46% on a PSG means that the Jawa is not the king it used to be 90 vs. 80 percent and AP1 vs. AP3, I'd probably take the AP3. With that damage, I'd probably go with the Acid Rifle or T21 most of the time. Take some accuracy food.



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Mangiacapra
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:09 am
#8

might shed some light.


PVP helmet 38% stun gets a 35% base slice, and now has 90% res on energy and acid (close to my current pvp helm). couple with a 55% psg and mind buff/food and you aint gonna do much damage 8)



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DracoRain
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:20 am
#9

PSG totals are not added on top of resists. 35% stun helmet plus 46% stun psg does NOT equal 81% vs. stun. First the 1000 dmg attack is blocked by 46% by the PSG so only 540 dmg gets through. Then that 540 dmg is stopped by 35% by the helmet so in the end351 dmg gets through. So a 35% helmet plus a 46% psg will stop 649 points of damage from a 1000 damage attack, or 64.9%, not 81%. So yes, a stun weapon with AP1 is still a much better option than going against 90% energy, especially since that stun psg will be burnt in about 5 shots.

XaverriJade7
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:22 am
#10






Stacker wrote:

in short you should never use a t21 in pvp. ever.




Hehe.






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Mangiacapra
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:26 am
#11

is true, good jawa anyday.



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XaverriJade7
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:32 am
#12






Mangiacapra wrote:

is true, good jawa anyday.






With Stun protection, no. The Jawa Ion Rifle is nothing.





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Mangiacapra
Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:34 am
#13


you'd think so wouldnt you......not true though 8) try using a 450 dmg jawa add in some mind fire (not so much poison now) and see if your right....

Message Edited by Mangiacapra on 08-19-2004 07:35 PM



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