Rifleman Archive
Thread: Best PvP Rifle
Hi everyone, I am trying to crunch the numbers and determine what the best rifle for PvP is today. Most PvPers will use Imp. PSGs and Composite Armor with stun layers so the Jawa is not the automatic favorite anymore. Certainly the weapon to use if someone is trying to PvP with composite lacking a stun layer, but lets assume we are talking about serious PvPers.
For the purpose of this post I am making the following assumptions on equipment.
IMP PSG: 25% energy; 45% stun; vulnerable to acid
Composite armor: 40% stun; 80% base (most stun armor comes with a base at 65-67 but PvPers will often get this sliced)
These weapons list the average damage without power ups and a 25% effectiveness slice. First number is without ranged mitigation, second is with ranged mitigation (3).
T21: 362, 236
DXR6-B: 336, 227
Jawa: 224, 153
Then the final result after adding AP, subtracting PSGs and Composite we get the following;
T21: 122, 80
DXR6-B: 101, 68
Jawa: 74, 50
So, unless I am way off here this ranks the T21 as the best, followed by the DXR6-B with the Jawa at last, with or without ranged mitigation. Adding power ups does not change the end results as it is simply a percentage increase of each base. Of course if someone does not use stun layers or their PSG wears out the results change.
My main question to everyone is, can anyone confirm these results or does someone have a different view on the best PvP rifle to use?
KnightHawk420 wrote:
Just in game experience your numbers seem pretty much on the mark to me. The variable of just how good someone's stun layering is, and whether or not they use a psg, or if it wears out during combat, makes the thejawa more usefull in pvp over the T21 in most situations.
It would be accurate to say that given, fully stun armored pvp'er with a healthy supply of psg's, and a attention to making sure you keep equipping fresh ones. Then the T21 does in fact become the gun of choice, or at least until someone runs out of psg's.
Thanks for the info. Going into my look at PvP rifles I had high hopes for the disruptor rifle as it had medium AP and did acid damage, which all PSGs are vulnerable to. It also had a relatively higher min damage that meant against anyone with ranged mitigation it would do well. However as soon as you get a good T21 and slap a decent effectiveness slice onto it the T21 comes out on top.
Against a buffed, fully equipped PvP'er the T21 is probably the better gun. Against a poorly equipped player - the Jawa is most likely going to be effective.
One thing worth considering with all of this is whether you actually hit your target. I find a DXR6-B with +112 Accuracy at 55m to be very useful at times compared to the +10 on T21.
So, I have same results as you with regard to rifle choice assuming you are speed cappred, but think you have some of those calculations off:
Looking at just the T21:
T21 -- Armour v. Energy: 25% PSG + 80% Composite = 85% total
( 1 - 0.25 ) * ( 1 - 0.8 ) = 0.15 of damage gets through
T21 = 362, 236 (AP3 = 1.56 modifier )
For each level above a 25% bonus in damage. so AP3 (gun) v Light (1) armour = 2 x 25% bonus. Which takes the forum of 1.25 * 1.25 = 1.56
(no mitigation)
T21 = 362 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.15 armour = 84 damage
(mitigation)
T21 = 236 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.15 armour = 55 damage
(mitigation, no PSG)
T21 = 236 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.2 armour = 73 damage
If you care to trust the maths, compare to Jawa:
(no mitigation)
Jawa = 224 damage * 0.33 armour = 73 damage
(mitigation)
Jawa = 153 damage * 0.33 armour = 50 damage
Damages (mitigation, no PSG)
Jawa = 153 damage * 0.6 armour = 91 damage
satanis wrote:
Depends on your rifle speed. You can headshot for higher DPS with a speed sliced DXR6-B or Jawa compared to the T21.
Against a buffed, fully equipped PvP'er the T21 is probably the better gun. Against a poorly equipped player - the Jawa is most likely going to be effective.
One thing worth considering with all of this is whether you actually hit your target. I find a DXR6-B with +112 Accuracy at 55m to be very useful at times compared to the +10 on T21.
So, I have same results as you with regard to rifle choice assuming you are speed cappred, but think you have some of those calculations off:
Looking at just the T21:
T21 -- Armour v. Energy: 25% PSG + 80% Composite = 85% total
( 1 - 0.25 ) * ( 1 - 0.8 ) = 0.15 of damage gets through
T21 = 362, 236 (AP3 = 1.56 modifier )
For each level above a 25% bonus in damage. so AP3 (gun) v Light (1) armour = 2 x 25% bonus. Which takes the forum of 1.25 * 1.25 = 1.56
(no mitigation)
T21 = 362 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.15 armour = 84 damage
(mitigation)
T21 = 236 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.15 armour = 55 damage
(mitigation, no PSG)
T21 = 236 damage * 1.56 mod * 0.2 armour = 73 damage
If you care to trust the maths, compare to Jawa:
(no mitigation)
Jawa = 224 damage * 0.33 armour = 73 damage
(mitigation)
Jawa = 153 damage * 0.33 armour = 50 damage
Damages (mitigation, no PSG)
Jawa = 153 damage * 0.6 armour = 91 damage
I trust your math, thanks for taking the time to do it. So I guess ideally we want to get enough SEA to be speed capped, that way we can use a rifle based not on speed but damage type, accuracy and total damage. Assuming that I do that, then it looks like the DXR6-B is the one to use to get state effects to stick as it has the higher accuracy mods, then switch to the Jawa or T21 depending on whether or not they have a PSG equiped.
I have heard that I would need an additional 7 to my speed at Master to hit the speed cap for just about any rifle, is this true? I have been waiting to do anything with regards to speed though because I don't know how speed for us is going to get hit with the combat balance.
Lumens wrote:
>> My T21 has 924 max dmg, I usually hit them for around 300 dmg in full comp and psg.
LOL, On Chimaera the best I've ever seen (with 33% max PU) is around 650. You're Bull-ing, right?
He probably has a pre-nerf T21, which would most likely not have ever been available on Chimera since that server and FarStar were set up so long after all the others.
Lumens wrote:
>> My T21 has 924 max dmg, I usually hit them for around 300 dmg in full comp and psg.
LOL, On Chimaera the best I've ever seen (with 33% max PU) is around 650. You're Bull-ing, right?
Nope, on Radiant (one of the last servers to get all the resources for T21s) my does 780 damage with a powerup. I know it's not as good, but weapons vary across the servers.
RemoMoxey wrote:
Lumens wrote:
>> My T21 has 924 max dmg, I usually hit them for around 300 dmg in full comp and psg.
LOL, On Chimaera the best I've ever seen (with 33% max PU) is around 650. You're Bull-ing, right?
Nope, on Radiant (one of the last servers to get all the resources for T21s) my does 780 damage with a powerup. I know it's not as good, but weapons vary across the servers.
I'm on radiant also, the best T21 I have is 600something. I hit a 25% damage slice and have a 33% max damage power up on it. Who made your rifle or did you just get a great damage slice on it?