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Thread: Does anybody else look at the rifleman being more of a machinggunner then a sniper?

TheGragg
Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:52 pm
#1

I've been a master sharpshooter for several weeks now on Kauri, and ever since I started getting the area attacks I've given up on the sniper mentality. Seriously, once I made the decision to forget about playing as a sniper I've really begun to enjoy the profession a lot more. What other profession do you know that can incap groups, large groups of players in pvp from 60 meters with 3 shots? I just get tired of hearing that rifleman are suppose to be snipers. We only have one column devoted to sniper, but we have all of those other skills that are in my opinion so much better. I don't want the devs to make us snipers, why settle for single kills when as a machinggunner you can mow them down in a hail of blaster fire? My toon often times takes on more then 5 times his number solo, beats being a sniper doesn't it?
I feel for the guys still going up the tree, but once you get an area attack, forget about that sniper bull, get a friend or two of yours to intiate the fight and you jump in with your area attack once your buds got their attention. The battle will be over before you know it. Forgive me if I don't take PVE in account, I've always prefered PVP and looked at PVE simply as a means to get the exp necessary to get to master. The area attacks work well in PVE from what I remember though.



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GalacticDarkMaster
Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:54 pm
#2

I look at riflemen as being a kick ass best of both worlds player. I can mow down many targets in 1-4 shots (SS2) and then use a CCEF rifle to Snip those 4 targets. lol CCEF's are great for that low ham use
linacat
Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:12 pm
#3

I think the funniest thing about being a rifleman is the T21. It is supposed to be a repeater rifle firing a shot a second... and it fires at about 6-9 till you are master rifleman. hmmmm silly devs didnt read the source books



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CloseHauled76
Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:47 pm
#4

I look at the rifleman tree and see THREE branches dedicated to the sniper role - sniping accuracy, concealment, and counter-sniping. I would still love to play a sniper eventhough the game mechanics wont allow it.
RueKursk
Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:15 pm
#5

Yes, I do.


The repetition of the word "snipe" in many of our skill boxes is misleading. We're much more of an oppressive, hard hitting, long range class.


*shrug* I still say we're underrated.




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Pire
Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:43 pm
#6

my problem is i cnat get off 3 shots


in fact i cant even get off a single one or press any button or anything.


today, i got one shotted so fast, that both my pets that were put on GUARD didnt even kick in. i must have died inbetween the ticks that the server takes for the agro to register for it to send the command to react. now how exactly am i supposed to clikc a button to shoot or heal or anything when i get poped for 1800+ dmg onto my 875 health bar ? and thats after my PSG took off 29% of it. even if i wore 50-60% armor which would make me capable of 2-3 shots altogether before kiling myself, i would still be just as dead and just as fast.


so whats the difference ?


i decided to avoid all PvP in this game altogether until they remove all instances of one shot one kill or the next game comes along, whichever happens first.


ParadigmaMike
Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:10 am
#7

Having played a caster in an other mmorpgs the rifleman doesn't seem that different. Powerful attacks (At master heh) with limited endurance in performing them (Mind), very vulnerable to melee.



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Flaskicz
Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:32 am
#8

Agree with ParadigmaMike. Rifleman is not SNIPER. I would like if people consider us as long range artilery crews.



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Dagobaz
Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:52 am
#9

To Call our class "Snipers" is about as accurate as calling the people that answer your in-game problem pages "customer service representatives". Call it whatever you want, that doesnt mean thats what it is...


Maximum range 64/65m: you ARE Joking right??? Ive hit Targets with BB guns at that Range... one would think the whole premise behind the longer barrel of a rifle if better range and accuracy. To say that a Pistol can hit a target at the same range a rifle can, is a shallow and ignorantperception of small-arms combat. Think About it.... Sniper.. Pistoleer... Sniper should have a Pistoleer in range WAY before the pistoleer can return fire. otherwise we are Pistoleers with Ugly slow guns...


That BRIGHT RED DOT: Conceal shot is Borked... not that it matters... you are a HUGE red dot on their Radar screen, they hit tab, there you are. if it were me on the dev team, I Wouldnt have jacked Mask-scent like they did, Master tailors would be able to Craft a Planetspecific Gilhi suit for Master Snipers that would eliminate any Radar or "tab" signiture while undercover. This Sniper, of course, could be detected by another Master Sniper or Master scout actively, not passively, looking for him. Snipers, By Definition are Highly trained in concealment tactics. Kinda makes it a joke to broadcast our location to everyone within 200+m.


Whoever Nerfed the T21 to its current status has NEVER played this game as a riflemaand has NO Concept of the weapons and their ratios for this Class... or even Small Arms period...WHY spend 30-80K for a T21??? I've seen Laser rifles that do more damage than these pathetic tweeks of the dev team. Heck, I Own one... Unless you are Ambushing an enemy faction Member at His Mission spawn.. and KNOW hes coming and he doesnt happen to be a commando..... and he happens to be wearing a Helmet...use your T21 Otherwise its as pathetic as it can be. get out the Laser rifle you Bought Hooked and sliced for 12K and smoke him twice as fast..


Yeah I know this is a Fantasy world, its what the devs Make it right?? wrong...... its what the customers want... unless the devs feel like breaking into their banks to pay for this. its Lucasart and SOEs name on it, but we are footin the Bill. Common Logic guys... we arent Machinegunners... that would be a "heavy weapons expert". I think "TheGragg" need to Press ctr-S and Look again. Sadly enough as the dev team has us now we arent Snipers either. I was really hoping that the last Patch would at Least adresse SOME of our issues... Ironicly, it was proven again......


DEVS HATE RIFLEMEN


Maybe we need to squeek the wheel a bit louder





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Imperial Sniper
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65m is NOT hardcoded as a Max range, we do NOT believe the Lies.
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TheFlump
Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:33 am
#10

that was such a great post i am just gonna quote it and leave it at that.






Dagobaz wrote:



To Call our class "Snipers" is about as accurate as calling the people that answer your in-game problem pages "customer service representatives". Call it whatever you want, that doesnt mean thats what it is...


Maximum range 64/65m: you ARE Joking right??? Ive hit Targets with BB guns at that Range... one would think the whole premise behind the longer barrel of a rifle if better range and accuracy. To say that a Pistol can hit a target at the same range a rifle can, is a shallow and ignorantperception of small-arms combat. Think About it.... Sniper.. Pistoleer... Sniper should have a Pistoleer in range WAY before the pistoleer can return fire. otherwise we are Pistoleers with Ugly slow guns...


That BRIGHT RED DOT: Conceal shot is Borked... not that it matters... you are a HUGE red dot on their Radar screen, they hit tab, there you are. if it were me on the dev team, I Wouldnt have jacked Mask-scent like they did, Master tailors would be able to Craft a Planetspecific Gilhi suit for Master Snipers that would eliminate any Radar or "tab" signiture while undercover. This Sniper, of course, could be detected by another Master Sniper or Master scout actively, not passively, looking for him. Snipers, By Definition are Highly trained in concealment tactics. Kinda makes it a joke to broadcast our location to everyone within 200+m.


Whoever Nerfed the T21 to its current status has NEVER played this game as a riflemaand has NO Concept of the weapons and their ratios for this Class... or even Small Arms period...WHY spend 30-80K for a T21??? I've seen Laser rifles that do more damage than these pathetic tweeks of the dev team. Heck, I Own one... Unless you are Ambushing an enemy faction Member at His Mission spawn.. and KNOW hes coming and he doesnt happen to be a commando..... and he happens to be wearing a Helmet...use your T21 Otherwise its as pathetic as it can be. get out the Laser rifle you Bought Hooked and sliced for 12K and smoke him twice as fast..


Yeah I know this is a Fantasy world, its what the devs Make it right?? wrong...... its what the customers want... unless the devs feel like breaking into their banks to pay for this. its Lucasart and SOEs name on it, but we are footin the Bill. Common Logic guys... we arent Machinegunners... that would be a "heavy weapons expert". I think "TheGragg" need to Press ctr-S and Look again. Sadly enough as the dev team has us now we arent Snipers either. I was really hoping that the last Patch would at Least adresse SOME of our issues... Ironicly, it was proven again......


DEVS HATE RIFLEMEN


Maybe we need to squeek the wheel a bit louder










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ElectricBlue17
Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:37 am
#11

I would still like a sniper rifle that does Commando weapon kind of damage but only fires once every 10 seconds




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Veustuh
Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:22 am
#12

I totally agree with you Dagobaz, we're not support and at the moment we're not snipers just fodder. You remember why the T21 was nerfed? Devs said that no one class should be able to 1 shot kill a person. Yep, check the patch notes from late July or early August. Funny part is that commandos have been doing this since they were fixed over a month ago. Even better is than thatthe overpowered flame is thatpets can still hit for 1k of damage during PvP.


I would like my title to be one shot artist not because we could kill a person in one shot but because that's all the chance we sometimes have. When fighting in cities my first shot is mind bleed 2 and pray that it hits. Regardless, my next move is to place buildings and object between us so that he can't fire back and wait for him to incap from the mind bleed (that's if it hit). In open areas, first shot is mind bleed 2 followed by Feign Death (novice smuggler). Once again, wait for the incap (that's if the shot hit) then stand and DB.


Remember soldier, in the field you only get one chance.




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Seflyn
Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:05 am
#13

Great post TheGragg, sums up perfectly the way I see rifleman and why I enjoy playing it.



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