Rifleman Archive
Thread: Rifleman Nerf?
lol you silly crak !
have you even read the desriptions on the skilltrees for ALL the professions ? have you dueled rfle people ? i doubt you have, maybe one and he must have been very lucky or you completely suck.
the rifles that can kill a low mindpool person/creature in one shot have 8-10 secs attack delay on them !!!!
let me repeat that so it sinks into your skull with all the implications of what it means:
T H E R I F L E S T H A T D O T H A T S O R T O F D AM A G E T A K E A R O U N D T E N
S E C O N D S T O F I R E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in case you have failed to grasp that yet, let me point it out. the rifleman hits his attack and/or special button, then sits and cant move or do anything for 10 seconds. 10 seconds is enough to hit HIM 3-4 times with pistol, 2-3 times with a carbine and about 4 times unarmed.
riflemen by default have high mind and low health cause of reduculous mindpool costs on teh rifles and suffer a 3.5 times defense penalty while holding the rifle !!!!!!!! do you know what that implies sherlock and what it means in practice ? in case you missed it an unarmed 3 skill + vibroknuckler does 400 + extra dmg to a rifleman ovwer his max HP in a ssingle hit !!!!!!!!!!!!! i have been knocked out on regular basis in one shot by every TKA and CH with a semi-adv pet i have dueled, and i dueled plenty.
teh people i regularly play with are making fun of me because of it, we have had many friendly duels.
in addition, like i stated above, why dont you check out the descriptions on some of the otehr ranged skills and melee skills as well, look at some stuff like the "stopping shot" and the BH paralyzing/knockdown combo and the melee stuff as well. because it takes a melee guy only about 4 secs to get in range with me after i hit the attack button, and it takes me 9-10 secs to fire. so go figure.
in fact i am and intermediate rifleman and it sucks so bad i am strongly considering dropping the rifle for pistols as the yare 100% better for both PvP and PvE, especially for combat oriented people, because rifles in addition to teh huge time delays on shots make us spread our stats and unnecessarily invest in mindpool. any ranged / melee combo character is far betetr off with pistol or carbine then a rifle.
do realize that.
last but not least riflemen dont steal the xp from groups of 20 people at spots for example tusken camp by wayfar. CH / CT do everyday everytime if they choose to do so and on regular basis. and tahts a fact.
of course you could be just a common completely moronic person taht will just stand tehre and wonder what happened then come to the message boards to complain instead of geting their facts straight.
Wow, looks like someone has a strong opinion.
No, I havent duel'ed a rifleman. I hear that with a sliced rifle and mindshot they can do over 2000 mind damage, now that is much more than I have.
Woa there turbo, if you're using a 10 second delay weapon, it's time to go struggle thru a couple easy missions and buy yourself an upgrade. I use 20-344 6.3 laser rifle and that's before you add in any powerups slices and the innate rifle speed skills you get in your rifleman trees. Can't wait to get my c0ckslappers on a T21.
Solly Teh'Shoot : Lowca
Sniper 3 - **edit** near master BE
right, as if a 300 point 6 secs rifles were available on itrepid. maybe next year or so.
seriously, it bothers me greatly when people taht have zero facts come out and just start blabbing complete crap.
Well, each profession has its benefits and its drawbacks. Riflemen are good at mind damage from a distance, as you have heard. However, since we show up on radar and our range is limited to 64m, it's not going to be easy to sneak up on someone to get that kind of damage. Any PvP'er worth his salt is going to immediately rush any sniper they detect outside of the 64m limit and beat the holy tar out of them up close, or just flat out not get within 64m. Yes, you may see some sniping going on as relates to picking on PvP n00bs, but not experienced combatants. Pistoleers are far more dangerous in PvP with their rapid fire rate and ability to kite melees. Rifleman can't kite with a horribly slow refire rate.
Also, just to correct the above, rifleman take 2x damage from melee hits when holding a rifle. Not 3.5x. That stupid number keeps growing like an urban myth around these boards. It's 2x, or double normal.
Seriously hope you weren't referring to me in that last post, Pire. I have all of the facts I need and would be glad to put it all in a nice summary if that's what is needed.
Solly Teh'Shoot : Lowca
Sniper3 - **edit** near master BE
With every MMORPG i have played I have seen so many people cry "nerf" when their character is not as good as someone else's character. Not every profession in this game is equal when it comes down to what they can do. A bounty hunter is supposed to be one of the best fighters, so is the Rifleman. I'm just waiting to see a master dancer scream "nerf" after he or she loses in a duel against a master bounty hunter.
One thing I don't understand about the Rifleman class is that after training the 4 rifle levels in marksman, a rifle user doesnt have a whole lot left to look forward to. The only new rifle is at the Novice Rifleman level. I was kind of hoping that some new rifles would be available at Master Rifleman level or somewhere else in the Rifleman series.
And for anyone who is saying "Oh Rifleman need to be nerfed, they can one-shot anything" you really need to get more information on the game. There are so many factors that make Riflemen what they are. First have you seen the pointblank penalty for the T21? -90? Good luck hitting anything upclose, Rifleman need to hit hard and drop things with a few shots, because they wont get another chance once it's in their face. I read about Riflemen specializing in Melee weapons and carbines so that they can stand a chance when something gets in their face, why should the riflemen have to spend their points somewhere else in order to work? By the way this is not to say that the people who have spent their points training melee or handtohand are doing anything wrong, just that they shouldnt have to in order to finish something off. Another thing to consider is armor, well the E11 and laser rifle and T21 have armor piercing capability, not many people are wearing armor, is that the riflemans fault? No. Riflemen have so many exp points to advance its crazy, and all their skills deal with Sniping down targets from a distance, it's their job to hit hard and not allow anything to stand after the first few shots.
Just my 2 cents.
Ranley Taren
I didnt read your guys posts, but Id like to point out what he said. Mindshot can do over 2000 dmg. He said "mindshot." Actually I think Mindshot can do quite a bit more then 2000 dmg. I think it can reach up in the 9ks?
Just so you know, Mindshot is a DoT. Damage Over Time.
I especially love how you begin your trolling post with "so I heard"
Riflemen are too busy soloing huge stuff to defend themselves.
I think the original poster really doesnt have a clue. I have a BH friend who hits for 400 to 600 with eye shot every 1.7 seconds. I have a rifle that does 120 to 198, 5.6 speed. I hit for high 500s to high 800s every 5.6 seconds. He does a lot more damage per second than I do, and he is hitting mind as well!!!!! Its morons like this that get a class that needs help more than a nerf nerfed. While he is off soloing crits with 4k hitpoints I struggle with anything over 2k but I should get the nerf, get a clue.
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I doubt anyone can really balance PvP yet..without high end armor, max'd spec's all around, etc.
But just FYI, that bounty hunter with eye shot THINKS he does 400-600 a shot. I mean, thats what it says on his combat bar. But vs AR1 he is doing 200-300. Vs AR2 (faction armor anyone? Pets? Droids?), he's doing 100-150. The same with a rifle will do..50%-25% BONUS damage.
The damage readouts are fubar'd. I want to see how much I ACTUALLY hit for..maybe that would clear up some of this mess we all get into.