Rifleman Archive
Thread: Krayt and NightSister Killing Template Advice
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VYRIS
Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:21 am
#1
Hi, was just looking for some advice here.
I have an alt that I want to make more use of. He must retain Master Doc for buffing my other toons. That said, I was wondering what your feedback would be on the effectiveness of Doc/Rifle on soloing krayts and nightsisters.
I have been a Master Rifleman in PvP, and it was great, but never for PvE.
I was thinking:
Doc/Rifle or Doc/Swords. I happen to have +10 in Rifle Speed attachments, so I wouldn't need Master Marksman. On my main, I am Master Brawler/Master Swords/TKM and Fencer 3440, and have soloed krayts and nightsisters well. But now I want to make my main a BH.
What I'm hoping is that Doc/Rifle will be great for this purpose, since I want to return to rifles, and make use of the speed attachments. Swords are great too, but I don't have speed attachments, and would lose more speed by not having Master Brawler.
Any advice and suggestions would be great.
Thank you.
DarthMarksman
Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:23 am
#2
Killing Krayts and Nightsisters, Rifleman has the concealshot attack as long as you don't mind the time it takes. Being a Master Doc any aggro wounds you can heal. I would personally go with Rifleman. Swordsman has the advantage of Blast attacks with the hammer, but personally, I would rather take on a Nightsister or Krayt from a distance than go toe to toe. I know, I'm a wimp.
VYRIS
Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:30 am
#3
DarthMarksman wrote:
Killing Krayts and Nightsisters, Rifleman has the concealshot attack as long as you don't mind the time it takes. Being a Master Doc any aggro wounds you can heal. I would personally go with Rifleman. Swordsman has the advantage of Blast attacks with the hammer, but personally, I would rather take on a Nightsister or Krayt from a distance than go toe to toe. I know, I'm a wimp.
Nice. How long does it typically take you to drop a Krayt with rifle? Took me like 45sh mins with melee,and a crappy hammer.
Thanks for the reply.
XaverriJade7
Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:46 pm
#4
For high-end PvE, I'd pair Swordsman with Doctor instead. AP 2 Blast damage will help a lot and you have the standard melee Kinetic damage(also AP2). Swordsman doesn't have the best defense, but the Counterattack, CoB, Melee mitigation and toughness you'll get should be a lot better than our Block, ranged mitigationand melee defense. Neither has very good status defense really, but that's what Doctor is for. 
As far as Nightsisters, we have a limited number of options. However, Swordsmen can handle any of them due to their Kinetic and Blast damage weapons. Get the FS melee speed and maybe a few attachments and you'll be using 2-H specials so fast, you may not be able to stop laughing 
Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 10-12-2004 07:47 PM
VYRIS
Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:50 pm
#5
XaverriJade7 wrote:
For high-end PvE, I'd pair Swordsman with Doctor instead. AP 2 Blast damage will help a lot and you have the standard melee Kinetic damage(also AP2). Swordsman doesn't have the best defense, but the Counterattack, CoB, Melee mitigation and toughness you'll get should be a lot better than our Block, ranged mitigationand melee defense. Neither has very good status defense really, but that's what Doctor is for.
As far as Nightsisters, we have a limited number of options. However, Swordsmen can handle any of them due to their Kinetic and Blast damage weapons. Get the FS melee speed and maybe a few attachments and you'll be using 2-H specials so fast, you may not be able to stop laughing
Message Edited by XaverriJade7 on 10-12-2004 07:47 PM
Good advice too. With the all melee template I have on my main, I do well. But I have never paired anything up in PvE with Doctor. Tough decisions to make.
OditeFosore
Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:58 pm
#6
For everything up to ancient krayts, a master doc/master riflemen can go toe to toe and have no problems and even with ancients you may be able to do alright. A giant canyon krayt using either strafe2 (if fighting for looting rights) or headshot3 with a T21 takes about 20 minutes for a speed capped riflemen. For elders, you're fine until they decide to break out the stun baton - that's when it starts to get a little hairy, they wear you down, but the same goes for swordsmen except that they have a bit more toughness when going toe to toe against elders. You can kill an elder with a T21 if all goes well in about 15 minutes.
Wabit
Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:19 pm
#7
umm if its takeing you more than 20 mins to kill one there is something wrong...
heres the templates to try out...
MRifle, MSwords, medic, novice brawler, doc, CM, commando, smuggler, CH...
now you can't do all of these together, but the 2 things you reall must have are novice medic and novice brawler...
with 80% comp, and 2700 buffs you can tank a krayt all day with intimidates and 400 stem-b's...
for elders either Doc to heal your state effects or CM for the terr nego/poision disease(kiting is good)...
here's my average times for a couple templates i've used (not including elders cause since they started useing special attacks my times would be off)
MCommando/MSmuggler/medic 1/0/0/0- juvi 3 mins, canyon 12 mins, giant 14 mins
MRifle/TMK(orMPike)some scout and medic-juvi less than a min, canyon 14 mins, giants 20 mins or so
MRifle/MCH/Ranger 0/0/3/0- juvi less than a min, canyon around 16, giant around 18
the others i've seen done
MCM/MRifle- this is one of the best all around stack the poisions and diseased then kite
MSwordsman/medic- takes about the same time as MRifle/medic thats tanking...
or just stick with MRifle and concealshot them to death (waist of time with bleeds and despawning)...
try whatever template you want on kimo's (the ones that don't disease) and learn how to do it there, they are easy to find and are about the equivalant of a juvi...
there are many templates that you can do this with, its just learning how to... i see the same couple of ppl out near the graveyard whenever i'm out there... our templates are completly different, we respect each others dragons and don't try to steal... its the groups that seem to be more apt to steal, or the random rifleman that comes and thinks he'll have an easy steal while someone else tanks... i love them the best, its let the intimidates fall off then feign death, watch him run or die then go back about my business... the hate tells are funny...
Wabit
glorydragon
Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:59 pm
#8
I'd go rifleman just because you have that great +10. same with Swords, if you had the speed there and not in rifles, that would be the way to go. it all comes down to what you have. If you have any WS friends you can ask one of them to make you a 8-9 speed rifle with 485ish max damage, get it sliced, and own at the speed cap.
XaverriJade7
Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:57 pm
#9
glorydragon wrote:
If you have any WS friends you can ask one of them to make you a 8-9 speed rifle with 485ish max damage, get it sliced, and own at the speed cap.
Unless you can constantly loot sets of 11 +70 krayt tissues, that rifle would be hard to make. 420 max for a T-21 is great. And a rifle with that damage would easily have a speed of less than 8(damage and speed are on the same experimentation line). So getting a 30%+ damage slice on a 400+ max T-21(regardless of speed) would be the way to go.
DarthMarksman
Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:28 am
#10
I'm not a master, yet. I'm 4-2-2-3.
VYRIS wrote:
DarthMarksman wrote:
Killing Krayts and Nightsisters, Rifleman has the concealshot attack as long as you don't mind the time it takes. Being a Master Doc any aggro wounds you can heal. I would personally go with Rifleman. Swordsman has the advantage of Blast attacks with the hammer, but personally, I would rather take on a Nightsister or Krayt from a distance than go toe to toe. I know, I'm a wimp.
Nice. How long does it typically take you to drop a Krayt with rifle? Took me like 45sh mins with melee,and a crappy hammer.
Thanks for the reply.
From the veterans on this board I've heard it can takethe better part of an hour.
glorydragon
Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:34 pm
#11
XaverriJade7 wrote:
glorydragon wrote:
If you have any WS friends you can ask one of them to make you a 8-9 speed rifle with 485ish max damage, get it sliced, and own at the speed cap.Unless you can constantly loot sets of 11 +70 krayt tissues, that rifle would be hard to make. 420 max for a T-21 is great. And a rifle with that damage would easily have a speed of less than 8(damage and speed are on the same experimentation line). So getting a 30%+ damage slice on a 400+ max T-21(regardless of speed) would be the way to go.
I didn't know that, I assumed they expirimented them both down and could just leave off xeprimenting on speed and put it into damage. I really know nothing about crafting.
osefaca
Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:43 pm
#12
Idahe wrote:
I cant speak for everybody, and I dont pretend to, but I think a large portion of the people that do solo things do itfor a couple reasons. If you kill something and it drops a krayt pearl or an armor exp +25 tape then you dont have to worry about splitting the loot up between 10+ people. There is also a slice of joy people get from taking on high level mobs by themselves without any help from others.
Now dont get me wrong I dont say there is anything wrong with people grouping up for these things but for somebody, like myself, that does enjoy soloing things they arent really alone. These people are sometimesin guilds and can still talk with others in their guild or they can group up with their friends not to hunt but just to have others to talk to. If your joy comes from hunting large things with others then by all means go ahead and do that.
VYRIS
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:03 am
#13
Thanks for all the great replies so far. I chose rifles with doc, and with my +10 speed attachs, I levelled from rifles 1 to 4 in a few hours.
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