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Thread: Controlled Accuracy test
OK, we did both a master, and non-master. I dont have the logs for the non-master, but Ruca does, she will post them later, or send them to me.
It was done with an E11 in both cases, shooting Ruca in order to keep consistancy. We did4 tests, one standing still, one her moving, one shooter moving, and one both moving, We did this at 60m.
E11 stats
-70 0 m
+24 50m
-50 64m
I ended up going till out of mind, but the non-master was able to go for 20 shots.
Ruca has +26 ranged defense
If you dont want to look at the logs, look at the topic, it gives you the test, and miss rate.
60m standing still 5 misses, 13 shots
[Combat] 17:59:10 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 117 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:11 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 17:59:12 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 69 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:14 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 120 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:15 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 72 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:16 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 79 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:17 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 17:59:18 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 17:59:20 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 68 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:21 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 17:59:22 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 67 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:23 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 76 points of damage!
[Combat] 17:59:24 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
60m her moving 6 misses, 19 shots
[Combat] 18:02:17 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 78 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:18 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:02:19 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 114 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:21 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 81 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:22 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 91 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:23 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 77 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:24 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 101 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:25 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:02:26 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 115 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:28 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 122 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:29 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:02:30 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 102 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:31 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 108 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:32 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 114 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:34 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:02:35 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:02:36 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 102 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:37 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 80 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:02:38 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
60m me moving 6 misses, 24 shots
[Combat] 18:05:20 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:21 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 74 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:22 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 74 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:23 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 105 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:24 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:26 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:27 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 122 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:28 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 110 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:29 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 78 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:30 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:32 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 69 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:33 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 107 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:34 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 78 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:35 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 116 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:36 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:37 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 120 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:39 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 114 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:40 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:05:40 You shoot at Small Tatooine House and hit for 365 points of damage.
[Combat] 18:05:41 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 71 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:42 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 83 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:43 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 103 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:45 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 68 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:05:46 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 75 points of damage!
60m both moving 8 misses, 19 shots
[Spatial] 18:09:02 You are full. If you consume another bite, you will burst.
[Combat] 18:09:04 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 70 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:05 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:07 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 78 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:08 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:09 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:10 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 83 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:11 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:12 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 109 points of damage!
[GuildChat] 18:09:13 [GuildChat] lexia: so whats goin on
[Combat] 18:09:14 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:15 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 68 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:16 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 72 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:17 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 106 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:17 You shoot at Small Tatooine House and hit for 410 points of damage.
[Combat] 18:09:18 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:20 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:21 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 98 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:22 Your Full Flurry misses Ruca Feria.
[Combat] 18:09:23 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 122 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:23 You shoot at Small Tatooine House and hit for 332 points of damage.
[Combat] 18:09:24 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 97 points of damage!
[Combat] 18:09:24 You shoot at Small Tatooine House and hit for 346 points of damage.
[Combat] 18:09:26 You use Full Flurry on Ruca Feria for 91 points of damage!
[Spatial] 20:58:07 [GroupChat] stryke': -28 tohit
[Combat] 20:58:09 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 66 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:14 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 113 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:19 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 112 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:24 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 94 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:29 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 74 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:33 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 95 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:38 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 122 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:43 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 69 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:47 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 84 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:52 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 116 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:58:57 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 87 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:02 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 94 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:06 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 80 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:11 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 88 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:16 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 20:59:20 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 113 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:25 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 91 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:30 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 73 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:35 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 82 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:59:40 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 119 points of damage!
[Spatial] 20:59:48 [GroupChat] stryke': thats 20
[Spatial] 20:59:55 [GroupChat] stryke': 19 of 20 shots landed
[Combat] 21:04:23 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 96 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:04:27 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:04:32 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:04:37 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 94 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:04:42 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 87 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:04:47 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:04:51 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 85 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:04:56 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 101 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:01 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:05 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:10 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:15 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 83 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:20 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:24 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 114 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:29 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 101 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:34 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 117 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:39 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:43 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:05:48 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 92 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:05:53 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 102 points of damage!
[Spatial] 21:06:09 [GroupChat] stryke': 9 miss out of 20
[Spatial] 21:14:34 [GroupChat] ruca: test start, 60m rifleman moving, target standing still
[Combat] 21:14:45 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 115 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:14:49 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 120 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:14:54 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 94 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:14:59 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 85 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:03 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:15:08 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 108 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:13 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 87 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:18 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 93 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:22 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 94 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:27 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 100 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:32 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 118 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:37 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 99 points of damage, but you evade it.
[Combat] 21:15:42 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 97 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:46 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 103 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:15:51 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 83 points of damage, but you evade it.
[Combat] 21:15:56 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 110 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:01 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 95 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:05 Stryke' Kyale's Full Flurry misses you.
[Combat] 21:16:10 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 96 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:15 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 120 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:19 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 87 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:24 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 108 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:29 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 78 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:34 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 98 points of damage!
[Combat] 21:16:38 Stryke' Kyale uses Full Flurry on you for 89 points of damage!
I have some logs, but I didnt have much time before Molimo had to place some harvesters. His stats are as follows:
Level IV BH Pistol, Level II Marksmanship, level 1 Tech, and level 1 stances Pistoleer tree. He had +130 to accuracy and +16 to ranged D. He was using a FWG5 at 50-60 meters depending on the test.
I have +102 Rifle accuracy and +66 ranged D. I used a Jawa Rifle, I know it was a bad choice, but I didnt have much time and didnt want to one shot him possible with the T21 or Laser Rifle. Plus its penality is roughly the same as a FWG5 at range.
The first log is both of us standing still at 60 Meters, he didnt miss once.
Secound log was both of us moving range was 50-60 meters he missed twice out of ten shots.
Last log was me shooting him with both of us moving range was 50-60 meters, I missed 6 out of 10 SS2's.
[Main channel] 20:04:54 Chat logging ON
[Main channel] 20:05:44 You challenge Molimo to a duel.
[Combat] 20:05:44 You challenge Molimo to a duel.
[Main channel] 20:06:51 Molimo accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 20:06:51 Molimo accepts your challenge.
[Combat] 20:07:12 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 138 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:12 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 162 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:13 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:07:13 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 131 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:14 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:07:17 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 122 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:17 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:07:18 Molimo shoots at you and hits for 51 points of damage.
[Combat] 20:07:19 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 173 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:20 Molimo shoots at you and hits for 42 points of damage.
[Combat] 20:07:21 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 46 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:07:21 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:07:22 Molimo shoots at you and hits for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] 20:07:23 Molimo shoots at you and hits for 41 points of damage.
[Combat] 20:07:24 Molimo shoots at you and hits for 42 points of damage.
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[Combat] 20:10:54 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 158 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:10:54 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:10:55 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 157 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:10:56 Molimo's Eye Shot misses you.
[Combat] 20:10:57 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 136 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:10:58 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:10:58 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 40 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:10:59 Molimo's Eye Shot misses you.
[Combat] 20:11:00 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 179 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:11:00 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 20:11:01 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 180 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:11:01 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:11:02 You're having trouble seeing clearly!
[Combat] 20:11:02 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 183 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:11:02 That target is out of range.
[Combat] 20:11:03 Molimo uses Eye Shot on you for 181 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:18:52 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:18:54 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:18:56 You use Advanced Strafe on Molimo for 436 points of damage!
[[Combat] 20:18:58 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:19:00 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:19:01 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:19:04 Your Advanced Strafe misses Molimo.
[Combat] 20:19:05 You use Advanced Strafe on Molimo for 361 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:19:07 You use Advanced Strafe on Molimo for 299 points of damage!
[Combat] 20:19:09 You use Advanced Strafe on Molimo for 401 points of damage!
That's on par with what I'm seeing.
I don't understand why BH's are so incredibly accurate. We fought a BH today that killed me, my little Wrix pet, the doctor that was with me and my friend and my friend's Graping Hunting Spider, all with eyeshots. As far as I could tell he missed once. It costs him nothing to spam Eyeshot -- the base cost is small to begin with, and it's all healable anyway. I was the only one in my group capable of hitting mind, so once I was down the fight was over. He had buffed health and action -- so did we, but it doesn't matter when it's all eyeshots.
We just seem to miss waaaay more often than these lame BH/Pistoleers combos. They're totally outgunning us for doing damage to the pool that WE are supposed to be the best ones at hitting.
I, frankly, do not see the point of being a rifleman now. We serve no role that some other class doesn't do better. No role at all.
On a side note, I was testing with a friend today and noted that Cover really does help in PvP. He went from a near 100% hit ratio to about 60% or so from me taking cover. Too bad it's still useless because NPC's have such a huge accuracy bonus that they rarely miss anyway, and anyone with a brain in PvP will just rush your position.
I was talking to my guildies on Teamspeak during this quick little test and they could hear the disapointment. I wasntto concerned with our miss rate, which was pretty bad. What crushed me was the time I invested in getting such a high Ranged D only to see that it is totally useless. I have made enough weapon xp, and combat xp to master 2 weapons only to find out it was waste.
The problem is that the hybrid BH's have such a high accuracy that the new change to hit doesnt effect them one bit. I cant believe that the Devs would consider someone with as high of a ranged D as myself being hit 100% of the time at 60 meters then 80% of the time moving a working system.
Again I want to stress that I think defenses should work. My problem is only sometemplates are being effected while others are getting a free pass.
Yeah, that's something I've been saying for weeks.
The real problem with BH's is that Ranged Defense doesn't work.
BH's and Commandos get no Ranged Defense. Therefore a rifleman should be significantly harder to hit than a BH or Commando.
But we're not, because Ranged Defense doesn't mean enough. Whatever accuracy it takes off is completely overwhelmed by a glut of accuracy bonuses.
) my accuracy is probably about the same as it was before. I still get the feeling that there is a bit more penalty if I am running than there was before, but it doesn't seem overwhelming, and it may just be a placebo effect.Thanks for running these tests Aldeon, good to see some hard data.
The problem isnt with our accuracy bieng screwed, its our HAM costs, becuase we still use HAM on all our misses. These amount of misses are fine by me, at my speed it doesnt matter much, the problem is HAM still bieng drained when I miss. Causing me to run out of mind even faster then before.
Also if you notice, the non-master rifleman had better accuracy then me, but shot once every 5 seconds compared to my once every second, all except for the both moving, at wich my accuracy was better.
Stryke' is 4 3 4 3
Sigh... as a rifleman, wouldn't it be obvious that we would bethe masters of taking down stationary and moving creatures/people because we've learned the ability to shoot AHEAD of them to make sure we hit the mark? And what about the fact that something running towards us would be an easier mark since as they get closer they get bigger in our targetting scopes?
So much of this makes so little sense from a LOGICAL standpoint.