Rifleman Archive

Message Edited by akflyer on 05-01-2005 04:14 AM

Have you seen the new crawl speed? Its like im in slow-mo land.

I crawled 40 m yesterday on a Jedi hunt. Took forever. (then I had a targeting bug and I couldn't target him either).

become a ranger......

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RSCody wrote:
become a ranger......

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Hehe, just what I was thinking, although a squad leader with some exploration skills from scout would also get the bonus to crawl speed.

Get scout 4xxx and squad leader 3xxx, and you'll be crawling like a champ as long as you are grouped (can be with a droid or pet) and are the leader.

Still, I'd like to see riflemen get some crawl speed boosts also... Removing them from ranger, and making the SL bonuses apply only to hillclimbing would be a nerf on professions that are already down, but on the other hand, they have no particular reason to want them anyway. So I say yank 'em from there and give those two professions some other skill that can compensate.

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-JungleKing- wrote:
Why removing them from Ranger LecheHombre?

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Just a FYI taking anything from ranger and giving to rifleman would prob be a bad idea right now.... They got pretty screwed by CU, rifleman got invis which rangers have always wanted, and most rifleman didn't want, oh also the devs broke an entire tree of theres with that invis, becuase they can't use camo anymore.

Another FYI, there camo tree being broken was broken in first version of CUrb, and the devs finally realized it, took enough bug reports ect from the rangers......

Too bad the old Rifle Speed CAs don't work.

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LecheHombre wrote:
Removing them from ranger, and making the SL bonuses apply only to hillclimbing would be a nerf on professions that are already down, but on the other hand, they have no particular reason to want them anyway.

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Au contraire LecheHombre, you obviously are not a Ranger. Crawling is part of how you keep your camoflauge intact against angry mutant rancors. And a lot of Rangers are ranged (even Riflemen) so the crawl speed gives them something for all the skill points they spend.

I had a feeling I'd take some flak for this one... Let me explain.

I was a master ranger for a long time. I dropped it even though I love the potential, as well as what the profession is now, but I simply cannot justify the reward to skillpoint investment. So, I know that rangers are already hanging onto precious few benefits and profession defining roles, and I hate to suggest something that sounds like kicking the profession when it is already down (in my opinion).

However, crawl speed is actually a useful skill for riflemen, especially now that cover/conceal and sniper shot are only do-able while prone. It makes sense for these shots to work while prone, and it makes sense for riflemen trained in covered sniping to get some training in being able to relocate more quickly while prone than the average bear, since we actually have some incentive to be in that posture.

I know the mechanics of mask scent and camo, KapowBzapp, and I realize that being prone adds benefits to checks against those skills, as does walking rather than running. I think that makes some sense, but I feel that alternative benefits could make more sense with the ranger theme. I wouldn't like the crawl speed taken away from rangers without some compensation, what I am saying is that if it was moved to rifleman, it would come to a subset of the game population that actually appreciates it, and rangers could get something that they would be much happier with in return anyway. There have been a whole lot of interesting, workable, and good outdoorsy-themed ideas proposed for additions to the ranger profession, so I won't mention anything specific to replace it with.

Take your example of crawling to keep camo from breaking on rancors, or any high end mobs. My thoughts are that only a small percentage of rangers utilize and appreciate this advantage, anyway -- and those that do are probably either riflemen or bioengineers. On the other hand, with cover and snipershot being useful rifle skills now, virtually every rifleman would appreciate and take advantage of fast crawl speed. So, make prone/walking have no bearing on camo, give camo a boost in strength, add "interesting ability x" to the wayfaring tree in ranger, and move the crawl speed to riflemen (and have it be entirely separate from terrain negotiation).

As a former long-time ranger, and a current even-longer-time rifleman, I think this would be a good adjustment to the viability of both professions, rather than a boost to one that is already riding high and a hit to one that already has problems. The problem, and the thing that makes this discussion entirely academic, is the fact that this exchange would require the devs to develop "interesting ability x" for rangers. And lets face it, there have been some fantastic ideas around for nearly 2 years, but the most recent thing I can recall being added to ranger was tracking, *way* back in the day. So, I'm not holding my breath for anything. If a "ranger revamp" does swing around though, I'll be happy to get the chance to consider returning to the profession.

Message Edited by LecheHombre on 05-02-2005 01:35 AM

get scout 3/0/0/0 and group with a SL. eat some travel biscuts and equip the faction body suit 9either B-wing or at-at suit) you will have +100 terrain neg