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Thread: Weapon Encumberance has to go

glory
Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:25 am
#1

I have been trying to play again and just logged out in frustration. SWG has the slowest moving characters as is but adding the weapon encumberance on top of that so our characters just crawl when they move is beyond irritating.

Was moving through the spaceport at a crawl and just logged out, deciding it is not worth it on top of some of the other "fixes", like all my light sources poofing. Meaning my fireplace, cantina stage and light fixtures are gone. All that hard work. What was wrong with just letting them be considered burned out when moved? Just another slap in the face for those of us who have stuck it out since day one.

Please reconsider these two changes and fix back.



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sfPuck
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:32 am
#2

You can always unequip your weapon. I never travel with weapon equipped.





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JascoSmlee
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:56 am
#3

I really hope 'weapon hindrance mitigation' is somethingRangers getif we ever get our revamp actually.



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KJFett3
Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:25 am
#4

One of the Devs at Fan Fest said that they are looking into raising the encumbrance on rifles to slow us down even more. I wouldn;t get my hopes up on them removing it while devs are saying they are wanting to go even further the other way.



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Ufed_106
Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:56 am
#5

It's how they imagine a sniper works, moving slowlybetweenpoistions andtaking shots from under-cover. It's the trade-off for havingpowerful long-range weapons. And it's a price we have to pay!


...and besides who would run around a town or a spaceport carrying a massive rifle!



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Cpl_Fisher
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:38 pm
#6

Just food for though, a T21 is NOT a sniper rifle, it is an automatic rifle. most of its bulk is lightweight alloys to alloy for heat dissapation.

We are in the predicament now becuase the devs havn't got a freakin clue.



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Geddeo
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:45 pm
#7


More food for thought. I think it was the devs way of balancing our long range so that melee, pistol and carbine could eventually catch up to us and get us in range. That way we can't kite for the win. I'm assuming that is why they mentioned slowing us down at the fan fest, to make it easier for melee to catch up to us.


My suggestion would be to not be holding a rifle unless you are going to use it. If you put it in your magic backpack it becomes light as a feather .


Elam_Udaak
Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:57 pm
#8


I think the encumberance is more than fair, especially now that we can still do full damage at close range. Melee and pistols didn't get any range added with the CU, so we are really the ones who came out with a huge advantage.


As for dealing with the encumberance issue: Find some skill tapes with "rifle accuracy while moving" mods and you can kite your enemy without hurting yoru accuracy. With a good, powered-up weapon and the skill tapes you will often get away with killing your enemy without taking a hit to yourself.




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LeviticusD
Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:51 pm
#9






Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Just food for though, a T21 is NOT a sniper rifle, it is an automatic rifle. most of its bulk is lightweight alloys to alloy for heat dissapation.

We are in the predicament now becuase the devs havn't got a freakin clue.





Lightweight alloys and sniper vs automatic have nothing to do with it. It is a BIG gun. The point I was making is that it takes two hands to hold. You ever try running with something that takes to hands, regardless of weight, and you will be a lot slower than something in just one hand.




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ShadowCM
Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:40 pm
#10






LeviticusD wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Just food for though, a T21 is NOT a sniper rifle, it is an automatic rifle. most of its bulk is lightweight alloys to alloy for heat dissapation.

We are in the predicament now becuase the devs havn't got a freakin clue.





Lightweight alloys and sniper vs automatic have nothing to do with it. It is a BIG gun. The point I was making is that it takes two hands to hold. You ever try running with something that takes to hands, regardless of weight, and you will be a lot slower than something in just one hand.





Well...the spray stick is the only rifle that you can hold with one hand isn't it...????

How is a spray stick a rifle anyway??


Oh and btw, what would you consider the heaviest gun in the game besides the t-21 (that size is the intimidating part of the gun)



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Warmaker01
Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:46 pm
#11






InspGadgt wrote:





Ufed_106 wrote:

It's how they imagine a sniper works, moving slowlybetweenpoistions andtaking shots from under-cover. It's the trade-off for havingpowerful long-range weapons. And it's a price we have to pay!


...and besides who would run around a town or a spaceport carrying a massive rifle!





Yeah but in that case the sniper is moving slowly for stealth...when they don't have to worry abou that they move just as fast as anyone else...weapon or no weapon.






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Example: The devs imagined Commando to be the damage dealing profession with the CU, one of the "5" on the scale of damage capability. They're a laughing stock right now, and I have seen many Commandos literally get booted from groups due to their weapons.


Just a word of warning from a former, hardcore Commando.


Warmaker01
Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:54 pm
#12






LeviticusD wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Just food for though, a T21 is NOT a sniper rifle, it is an automatic rifle. most of its bulk is lightweight alloys to alloy for heat dissapation.

We are in the predicament now becuase the devs havn't got a freakin clue.





Lightweight alloys and sniper vs automatic have nothing to do with it. It is a BIG gun. The point I was making is that it takes two hands to hold. You ever try running with something that takes to hands, regardless of weight, and you will be a lot slower than something in just one hand.






I have run around with something in my hands (M16A2/M203), on my back (pack), on my torso (flak jacket), on my head (kevlar helmet), and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff (ammo, MREs, water, etc.). It is from the US Marine Corps.


Running around with a Rifle in your hands or slungIS NOT HARD. Running around with something large like a Machinegun IS HARD.


You can run from me while you carry a pistol. I guarantee most guys will keep up, if they don't shoot you in the back as you run away first.

Cpl_Fisher
Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:59 pm
#13






Warmaker01 wrote:





LeviticusD wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:
Just food for though, a T21 is NOT a sniper rifle, it is an automatic rifle. most of its bulk is lightweight alloys to alloy for heat dissapation.

We are in the predicament now becuase the devs havn't got a freakin clue.





Lightweight alloys and sniper vs automatic have nothing to do with it. It is a BIG gun. The point I was making is that it takes two hands to hold. You ever try running with something that takes to hands, regardless of weight, and you will be a lot slower than something in just one hand.






I have run around with something in my hands (M16A2/M203), on my back (pack), on my torso (flak jacket), on my head (kevlar helmet), and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff (ammo, MREs, water, etc.). It is from the US Marine Corps.


Running around with a Rifle in your hands or slungIS NOT HARD. Running around with something large like a Machinegun IS HARD.


You can run from me while you carry a pistol. I guarantee most guys will keep up, if they don't shoot you in the back as you run away first.





He obviously hasn't done much PT

anyway the point is that looks can be decieving... what looks big and huge isn't nessarily heavy, and vice versa.


Also pure weight isn't everything. since I assume that most people don't have ammo can laying around, fill up a 5 gallon bucket with water and carry it around, kinda tough isn't it? now fill up another 5 gallon bucket, and carry it in the other hand along wih the first. It's easier... why? becuase the weight is evenly distributed You don't have to spend all that energy trying to keep your spine from bowling over. It sounds counterintitive, but its true.


Many hours of carrying heavy sh!t over trails was nessary for me to gather this information. lol

Message Edited by Cpl_Fisher on 06-17-2005 07:06 PM



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