Rifleman Archive
Thread: The reason why they Nerfed my weapon. (MyPerspective.)
I was in heaven. I was soloing all the missions at the emperors retreat. Popping off all the rebels I came accross. mind you not one shot kills at all. Mind bleed and all that. I was having a great time. Gaining XP to go to the next level and get Conceal or HS3. I logged off at 1am EST last night all happy. I was a viable force on the battlefield. Not some guy that just get's shot up. I was incapped a total of zero times yesterday. So of course no DB. That means all up time no cantina, no med center (not that I need it mind you, I'm a medic/scout variation too).
I log on this morning to kill some before my work day. same mobs. Incapped twice and and DB's once in five engagements. Trips to the cantina and the med-center. so I can enjoy the company of others. The Rebel captain Had a T21 in his hands and he seem to fire it nice and fast he didn't have a dip in damage, while I enjoyed my 25%-45% reduction in damage.
so what's the point of this story. SOE wants us all to group together to have fun killing the higher level MOBs. I can understand this. I shouldn't be able to solo a rancor.
But a Human, a rebel human with the rank of captain. I should be able to handle right. Well I can if I mind bleed him drop back. hit him again and drop back and repeat. But were bot hjust humans so why does he have the capacity to absorb 10 times as much damage as me and i have no viable way of dishing it out.
SOE wants more player interactivity. Great all for it. Create some scenarios. Say an email from lord Vader saying that there will be an all out offensive on such and such at this time at location xxxx xxxx. all imperials are to report to unit commanders at this time tttt.
Create this and people will group. I can't stand spending time looking for a group when I know I only have 1-2 hours to play tops. yeah sorry I have a wife who demands I do all my responsible things first. You know trash, pay bills help her with the nursery were putting together. Oh and you think my time is tight now. just wait till the twins get here. Soe SOE you want me to play in groups make it so I don't have to spend half my game time weeding through the players to find a "buddy" to go hunt some real XP. Provide dynamic missions to force large groups at designated times.
It's not that i don't like grouping. I wnet to Fort Tusken with a group. Wasn't bad but was a pain waiting around a half hour for everyone.
Untill then give us the weapon were supposed to have. go nerf somewhere else. Were already easy prey for other players. I'll sit in the cantina all day and chat when i have the time. I don't want to be forced to because our wepons are "owned" by every othr class.
Oh and SOE I dare you to come back and respond with a logical reason why; we have such high HAM penalties, low hit ratios and poor damage? And explain to me why I can't use my rifle to block a punch? Why I can't use my rifle to butt stroke some one in the head? Why do you think a Rifle is bad for melee? I turns in to a frigging club or a spear if you have a bayonet. seems more resonable to have penalty on posture not weapon. My god you havbe no idea what your doing with this class.
If you would like to visit me in Massachusetts (SOE) I will take you down to Camp Edwards to the KD range. I will set up a range for you and let you try all the weapons the My unit has. Just so you can see that a .50 cal sniper rifle goes through armor. that an M16 is incredibly accurate at 10 meters. I personnaly never miss at that range. Oh and I'll even show you how they train you to block with your rifle.
Come on SOE it's obvious you have no clue (none, zero, zilch) about the Rifle on the battlefield. Stop messing with it until you do. If you won't listen to me then go ask the other proffesionals. call up a military unit. Half the guys who are not in IRAG right now are all probably playing already. They'd love to set things straight with you. Your butchering what could be a great class.
Sorry about the Rant to everyone who thought this was just going to be about the T21.
I've decided I've been to nicey'nice when it comes to the Idiocy SOE tries to pawn off as "Developer knowledge"
MB
MB
Maximus,
Even though we're on other sides (you Imp thug) I can't agree with you more. When I was in college my AFROTC unit took the Army's M16 course for fun, and even though it was my first time shooting one, I managed to hit 24 out of 40 shots, missing the 300 meter target by barely a 1/4 inch with 2 shots right next to each other (sized targets 20 meters away).
That's why I picked rifleman, because that was a fun experience, and I was hoping I could play in a similar fashion.
But this has been nothing like using a rifle in any way.
My PA is probably 90% CH or Pistoleer, some both. We go in hunting groups and I can do some damage with my laser rifle, but using my headshots is worthless because they're all spamming knockdown or pistolwhip while their creatures tank to high heaven. I'm little more than a leech.
I thought getting a T21 would make me a bigger part of the group, more so as I climbed the skills tree and could shoot faster and do more damage.
Now it's beginning to look as that may never happen.
And before the masters start trying to flame me saying how much damage you do, I'm only 1-0-0-0 in rifleman because I'm trying to be an armorsmith as well, so I can't and don't spend my time trying to solo. I'm not a pure combat character.
Who you calling a thug , My thug faction is at -5000, So now I can't complete the Imperial missions at the Emperors Retreat. The slicer mission is impossible to do with neg. thug faction. Si I decided to blast the rebels there instead.
I'm glad that you had a good time with the M-16. If you ever get the chance to shoot a Barret .50 or an M4 go nuts there a blast.
MB
I don't really like grouping. In situations where there are lots of people, I tend not to get any damage in, and get no xp. Grouping with 1 or 2 others, I'm usually the one to put on that enormous mind bleed, just to make sure the sucker dies eventually. Then we all proceed to attack it, yay. But more often than not, I end up getting incapped/dbed, because the creature charges and bam. I do my best on my own, and I have a very set strategy that I use for groups (3+) of very hard creatures, involving warning shots and peacing and mindshots etc. When I'm with a few other people, they more often than not end up getting me killed... they tend not to understand what it means to "Keep those things away from me!!!" The only people I like grouping with are my close friends I hunt with a lot, we're able to work together nicely.
I use that technique too and I agree that it's far easier to get XP solo than in the large groups with a rifleman. That's why I'm so steamed about this class getting the shaft. If you don't think we are go to the pistol forum and check out there gripes. Oh they have a gun that's better than ours... change it now or my pistol will only do twice as much damage per second as them.
Paraphrsing a little I didn't actually quote a real post you know. Sarcasm and all.
MB
I understand that we can't have rifles act as their real life counterparts, or else why would anyone use something other than a rifle? They are the premiere figthing weapon for a reason and they need to be unrealistic to allow for some diversity in play.
Since the game is capped at 64meters for maximum range then why not just divide up that 64 meters? Pistols only being good out to 22 meters, carbines for 22-45 meters, and rifles for 45-64 meters?
I'm not upset by rifles being useless up close, I'm upset that the best snipers in the game use pistols.
I'd like to keep this going. I want SOE to respond
so BUMP
MB
I was halfway up the riflemen tree when I decided to switch to pistol. It was a hard decision to make for me because I loved the thought of being a stealthy sniper one day and wanted the range. That is why I choose it when I first started playing SWG when I was young and naive.
It is funny how far off my planned track I wound up due to the need to be able to survive and contribute.
Reasons why I switched:
1. My friends I group with all do health damage while I was doing mind damage. I had nothing to offer the group since I didn't help kill mobs faster.
2. When I'd solo, if I couldn't kill them in 2 shots or if the mob's friends assist, I was pretty much dead. You had to be too selective on what you could kill. If a mob's friends assists then right after your first shot, all the victims buddy would immediately run to you and pound you in to the ground.
3. Holding a rifle in your hands give too big of a dmg penalty. I was in a catch 22 here. If a mob got too close to me, I had to take the rifle out of my hands or get hit for 3x the dmg which would get me killed in 2 seconds. Taking the rifle out of my hands meant I couldn't fight back which mean I would get killed.
4. My rifle only had 10 more range than my friends with pistols. I couldn't even show off with any long distance shots because theirs were almost as long.
The class of choice is still riflemen but I will move probably live out the rest of my days as a Pistoleer for the sake of survival. One day I hope to return when a riflemen actually IS what we all envisioned it to be when we chose it.
Totton, See that's the problem. I don't wantto switch. I'm sorry you did. I can't. It's not in me to switch. I'm sure if i did I'd live more but the fun aspect would diminsh. Is this what SOE has in mind for me and players like me. I hope not.
I'll keep playing a rifleman. You don't have to like it SOE but at least as long as there's one of us you'll have to keep it as a proffesion. I'm sure that's not what they have in mind at this point. They probably want us all to just go away. less work for them.
MB
Pistol and carbine specialists do not have to use anything but their wepon, so they can advance faster, become more powerful, have more skillpoints left over etc.
I just wonder if SOE viewed Rifleman as a combat class on par with Pistols, or if we are just supposed to act as long range artillery in support of the real fighters, the pistoleers.