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I just got Novice Rifleman and all I see on my server "Flurry" is that Laser Rifles are far better than the best T-21's I've seen. Seen Lasers over 500 damage with 5 sec speed. T-21 are all over 6.5 seconds and only around 400 dmg.

Dimitus Rynn

Former BH, Former Commando

Well i like the t21 for consistancy and the ap3 is good too. I would suggest getting bolth and use each in the situation you think it will work best. Oh and i recomend gtting a good jawa ion rifle.

you alsot have to take into consideration that a T21 has heavy armor piercing which deals 3.5x the damage to targets with no armor. a 1k hit that show up on your combat screen will actually hit the target for nearly 2.5k. at novice rifleman though i never used a t21. just a laser rifle and dlt20a and thena e11 that had a great slice on it. while goin up in rifleman speed on the weapons is what your main focus is gonna be. the higher you get in rifle speed the more damage will effect in what type of rifle you buy.

"you alsot have to take into consideration that a T21 has heavy armor piercing which deals 3.5x the damage to targets with no armor"

Isn't this bugged ATM and you don't get mor damage on targets with no armor ?
I evend couldn't find anything in the latest Patch-Description (03.Nov.2003)...

If anyone knows this by sure please report, could be very interesting, so i would definitely switch to T21 !

well test it on a 500HAM mob. i used strafe2 on a 500HAM thug and hit for 3k in combat screen and 5.4k showed above his head. doesnt seem bugged to me

Ok who on Flurry sells Jawa Ion rifles? And I knew about the AP3 thing but I head that's still bugged. And I think I heard somewhere that SG82's are good also, but I'll be **edit** if I can find those anywhere too. Good rifles are hard to find on Flurry it seems.

there is a rather large difference between a laser rifle mindshot1&2 bleed and a T21 mindshot1&2 bleed... i have a laser but i never use it. in a four person group which is normal for my hunting party i do this:

mindshot1&2 then headshot2 till dead if i have mind if not then regular shot. the bleeds go towards ur XP percentage on the kill. the only person who can outdamage me in DPS and get the most XP is my commando friend. laser just do not cut it compaired to a good T21. generally have to shoot a laser twice to equal one T21 and despite what the number crunchers say unless i am using a T21 i never get a lot of XP in a group hunt. doing numbers is fine but reality is different.

the only way that tactic never works is if there are a lot of people or a commando using flame attack bleeds. with the new rules on monster AI it should be easy to warning shot 2 creatures from the nest and bleed kill the third. rinse repeat.

I used to use 568 Damage Laser Rifle, and had a hard time getting heavy Mind bleeds on Force mobs. I switched to a damage sliced T-21 with 39.9% wound, (Laser had 17.5) and now when I stack mind1 and mind2 on Force mobs, it's normal for them to bleed for about 1100-1300 a tick. I could never do this with the laser.

The laser is cheap, and good on Ham costs, but has a low minimum damage alot of the high hitting Lasers, have a stat like this

Min 28

Max 513

Wound 18.8

Mind cost 59

Speed 4.5

A goodT-21 is more like

Min 178

Max 466

Wound 35.5

Mind 79.1

Speed 6.1

Bottom line, Ill take the consistent high minimum damage, (178) over the Laser (28) dont be fooled by the high number, the T-21 is a better rifle hands down. Better armor damage, much bigger wound, and my head shots and mind shots, are consistently higher, by this I mean, with the Laser, I can have a head shot for 564, where with the T-21, I never seem to have one below at least 1100.

Dont forget, you can slice the T-21 for lower Ham cost, and lower speed, experiment.... I own 6 T-21's all different stats.. find what works.

Of course it helps Im a master CH and have 2 Graul Maulers tanking for me

User what you want, but I lov emy T-21, and the chicks dig the look too hehe.

Tuk

Rifleman 4/0/0/4

Creature Handler 4/4/4/4

And some other assorted medical skills

Another way to look at it is this:
The T21 is AR3.The Laser is AR2. The difference is almost like having a 25% powerup built into the T21. A 400 T21 will do about the same damage as a 500 Laser on an armored opponent, but because of the much higher Minimum damage from the T21, the average shot will be higher. So if it comes down to a 400 T21 and a 500 Laser, you're better off going with the T21.

im glad tuk11 brang up the wound chance for the T21. the one i have is at 33.6% wound chance and i have 33% wound powerups i save for pvp when i do engage in it. it really pisses people off that more than40% of ur shot goes directly to there wounds =). 1000hp to there health will cause more than400 wounds. its quite amazing. something that could never be accomplished with a laser rifle

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SaladinVizier wrote:
you alsot have to take into consideration that a T21 has heavy armor piercing which deals 3.5x the damage to targets with no armor.

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This only happens if your target has vulnerability to your damage type. No armor with no vulnerability will take 1.25x damage from AR1, 1.56x damage from AR2, 1.95x damage from AR3. No armor with energy vulnerability will take 1x damage from all weapons.

Don't forget HAM costs though too...

While a 400dmg T21 is about the same as a 500dmg Laser, you can get 2, maybe 3 shots off with the laser for the same HAM cost that 1 shot with the T21 would cost. If you're not one to rely on spice, dancer buffs or doctor buffs, it's something to keep in mind as well.

Also keep in mind that a laser will hit the speed cap before a T21 does. If you're a master rifleman, and especially if you've got master marksman as well, you may be better off going with a slower T21.

I keep flipping between the two, however the local weaponsmith pricing on T21's tends to make me stay with the lasers instead.

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TopFlite wrote:
Don't forget HAM costs though too...

While a 400dmg T21 is about the same as a 500dmg Laser, you can get 2, maybe 3 shots off with the laser for the same HAM cost that 1 shot with the T21 would cost. If you're not one to rely on spice, dancer buffs or doctor buffs, it's something to keep in mind as well.

Also keep in mind that a laser will hit the speed cap before a T21 does. If you're a master rifleman, and especially if you've got master marksman as well, you may be better off going with a slower T21.

I keep flipping between the two, however the local weaponsmith pricing on T21's tends to make me stay with the lasers instead.

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depends on how soon you want to run out of mind doing specials. i can crank out shots faster with a laser but the slightly slower cycle rate of a T21 alows my mind to regen between shots more than it does with the laser. problem is that over time it is slightly better to do fewer more powerful shots with a T21 than to run through your mind going 2-1 to keep up the pace with a T21. a laser is only marginaly better in mind cost than a T21. it costs me around 85 mind to toss out a headshot2 with a laser and 113 with my T21.

so in effect for a laser to possibly surpass a T21 it has to roll two high end hits costing me 170 mind where i can shoot once to get that effect and use 113 mind with the T21. four shots with a laser and that is 340 mind 2 shots with a T21 226. by this time the T21 massive mind bleeds kick in and start realllly outstripping the laser in DPS compaired to costs in mind. the bleeds that can be achieved with a laser just are not up to what a decent or half bad T21 can do. once you factor in that extreme low end of a laser it becomes less and less of an appealing option.

i am not considering slicing and powerups and other artifical power raisers since both weapons can take advantage of them equally. bringing that into the equation is just trying to mislead the results.

you are using more mind to dish out the same damage as one shot with a T21 as compaired to 2 shots with a laser. a better way to compair things would not be strictly DPS but should include mind cost to damage rate. both of those should be considered when choosing a weapon and specials. a lot of myths surround the laser carbine and rifle, most of which arose from compairing strict DPS rates without taking actual combat into account.

numbers are all good but they dont really tell the whole story when it comes to taking the gear into the field and actually shooting a snorbel in the butt...