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Thread: Why a T21 over a Laser when the Laser is better damage?
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MaxPower74
Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:39 pm
#1
I know one is medium piercing and the other is heavy, but does that matter when you are leveling? I have non-krayted lasers in the 760 range with a p/y and the speed is1.5 seconds faster than T 21 (5.8 speed).
If the T-21 is slower and does less damage why would you use it over a laser?
Thanks for the help.
anavelg0083
Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:08 pm
#2
dude i jst started rifleman and i alrdy know the answer to this question:
the t21 is heavy ap so u will do lets say 2600-3000 with a normal head shot 2 and with a laser u will prolly hit
for 1800-2400 and this dmg is a example of hitting something with heavy armor like at-st's is where i really learned the difference and its simple the t21 is alot stronger than the laser rifle but if your fighting npc's or creatures with meduim armor piercing and lower it may be better to use laser if its faster but t21 is better in pvp and fighting heavy armor pierceing eneimies
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RebRifle
Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:28 pm
#3
also its alot more consistant. a laser canhit for 3k one time and 500 the next. When i first amstered the laser spawns of recources were stuck and i couln't use a t21 since none were built. NOw tat i got one i an't going back.
CrashNgoBoom
Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:04 pm
#4
Well, judging by the speed of your 2 rifles and the damage, I can already tell you that the laser had a really good damage slice and the T21 had a speed slice. When being crafted correctly, a T21 can be just as powerful as a laser rifle, and has a higher min damage.I have multiple T21's with 700+ damage and one is just under the 760 you speak of(756). T21's are naturally slower, however, this is made up for when you hit the speed cap. The reason you tend to see lasers being crafted with higher damage then T21's is because the complexity that go into making one. Theytake resources that are hard to get "uber" of so WS's that haven't been around that long may not be able to craft them to thier fullest potential.
Iridescence
Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:31 pm
#5
As far as the numbers go, the Laser rifle looks like it beats the T21 hands down. The damage per second looks a hell of a lot higher on the Laser rifle, if you don't take armor piercing into consideration.
But then, I've never done 4000+ damage to every tusken raider in a room with one flushingshot2 using a laser rifle... that Heavy armor piercing seems to count a lot more in practice than it does in theory, but maybe that's just me.
Also the previous posts mentioned that the minimum damage comes into play a lot as well... this is extremely important. Laser rifles with 500 max damage can also have like 60-70 minimum damage. In many cases, the average damage of the laser rifle will be much lower, especially when AP is taken into consideration.
This said the laser rifle is still a MUCH better weapon than it tends to be given credit for. AP2 is still nothing to complain about.
But then, I've never done 4000+ damage to every tusken raider in a room with one flushingshot2 using a laser rifle... that Heavy armor piercing seems to count a lot more in practice than it does in theory, but maybe that's just me.
Also the previous posts mentioned that the minimum damage comes into play a lot as well... this is extremely important. Laser rifles with 500 max damage can also have like 60-70 minimum damage. In many cases, the average damage of the laser rifle will be much lower, especially when AP is taken into consideration.
This said the laser rifle is still a MUCH better weapon than it tends to be given credit for. AP2 is still nothing to complain about.
Iridescence
Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:33 pm
#6
Edit: and as for your question, the Laser rifle IS probably better when leveling... the T21 can be used effectively before you Master rifles, but you'll use it a ton better once you cap your rifle speed.
nikazza
Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:16 pm
#7
ok, first of all, the min damage is equally important, your laser probably has around 100min whereas your t21 has 200min about if your t21 is good.
here is how it goes. if you shoot a MOB with 10% resist to energy and with 0 armor (no armor)
then if your gun is ap1, damage=1.25 x (weapon damage, or the average between the min and max)
if your gun is ap2 then the damage is 1.56 x (weapon damage)
if your gun is ap3 then the damage is 1.96 x (weapon damage)
do you see the difference???
if your laser rifle is that good, which i doubt it is, because lasers dont usually go that high unless they are krayted. non krayted are usually about 440 damage, then with a good slice you can get it to about 600ish. so... you probably would need either krayt tissues or would need to use a power up to get to 760. a t21 is about 400 damage base, then with a good slice, up to 510+, then with a powerup, 720, but the speed is slow.
either way, laser rifles are almost never better than t21s unless they are krayted or VERY GOOD laser rifles and you have a crappy t21. a good t21 will always be better.
soo... your t21 will do more damage per shot, but it will shoot less often. here is a site: http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php
type in your damage, your player rifle speed, your weapon speed, and hit enter, and do it with your other gun. which ever gun's numbers are higher, you use.
MantaMonCal
Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:54 am
#8
T21 wins hands down.
I've got one with around 200-600 dmg, as compared to my laser Rifles that have around the same maximum damage BUT the minimum damage is around 50-80. That minimum damage on the laser rifle is HURT. As someone said, you'll hit for 4k+ and then hit for 300's or 500's the next shot... Where as with my T21 I hit for 5k's or 6k's and the minimum never gets lower than 1k when using strafe shot. Buy some skill tapes at master, and cap your speed for 7.4, and then you'll see that a T21 destroys a laser rifle.
D3st0r
Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:08 am
#9
The heavy armor piercing alone givesa 25% dmg bonus over the medium AP.
Ailuu
Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:23 am
#10
MaxPower74 wrote:
I know one is medium piercing and the other is heavy, but does that matter when you are leveling? I have non-krayted lasers in the 760 range with a p/y and the speed is1.5 seconds faster than T 21 (5.8 speed).
If the T-21 is slower and does less damage why would you use it over a laser?
Thanks for the help.
Speed is king. A speed sliced 1.3 48 / 183 spraystick will outdamage a 5.8 200 / 600 T21 ( and this is with Rifle Abilities IV )The laserrifleis a good choice, just get a fast one as compared to a damage sliced one. Buy cheap fast guns, add speed/mind Powerups. Leveling will go quickly. If your hunting AR 3 critters to level, you may want to rethink that approach 
You can do DPS comparisons here, very handy site.
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php
SpunkyKuma
Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:22 am
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T21 because of higher min damage, AP3 and very capable of high max damage but the downside is ham costs and ideal range accuracy since they aren't crafatble with scopes. I once had a hard time deciding between my 5.6 109-557 +69 ideal LR vs 7.4 226-525 +33 ideal T21 (speed capped) but my general weapon is the 5.3 212-399 +116 DXR6b. 
Vicci A'Tivo - Elder "in your face" Bounty Hunter
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