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Thread: Those of you with DLT20A's...
DLT20a has no AP that I recall. Maybe it has AP1 and I'm just not remembering.
Either way, stick with the Laser Rifle.
My DLT20a has a mind cost of 28, unsliced, unpowered. I can fire it 2-3 times for the same cost as one Laser Rifle shot.
Against unarmored opponets, it's the mac daddy.
I think for PvP it's good to have 3 weapons:
E11 for people wearing a helmet
DLT20a for people not wearing a helmet
T21 if you plan to put a bleed on someone
I've heard the Jawa rifle is good too. If it's AP1 I might use that rather than the E11. I mostly like the E11 because it's AP1 with very low HAM cost.
Laser Rifle just costs too much to fire. It's like shooting yourself in the head.
Sicarim...
I am rifleman (3/2/2/3) and, looking back,the biggest mistake I ever made was NOT carrying a DLT20A with me through most of the grind. I had gone pretty much to Laser Rifle, T21, and Spraystick for most of the lower boxes in rifleman. I had given my dlt20a away to a friend thinking i didn't need it anymore. Then a couple of weeks ago I started seeing several posts about HAM costs from experienced riflemen who still used a dlt20a. I was in a weapon shop and found a really good one so I decided to buy it and give it another try. It is the best decision I ever made! I was fortunate and it sliced for damage. I am at work, but I know the speed is 5.6, don't remember the actual damage after slice, but is very good for a dlt20a.
Bottom line, it has become my main (but not my only rifle) for PvE ror TWO reasons:
1. I can always count on a good (but not great) hit.
2. I can fire it a helluva lot more than my laser or t21 because of the ham costs.
Some numbers: I must have killed at least 50 Greater Womp Rats on Tatooine yesterday. Here was my strategy: If my mind bar was full (or close to it) I used the "MS2, MS1, flurry or HS" strategy.Watching my combat window, I always got AT LEAST 570 damage with MS's but usually 700-950. I could not always trust my Laser for those numbers, and I hate the HAM costs with my T21.
If my mind bar dropped (half or less) I would go prone and use Aim/Concealshot with dlt20a only. I very rarely missed and was able to kill a GWRat for 1800+ in about 2.5 minutes strictly with conceal shot and my dlt. And by the time I was finished, my mind bar was usually about the same spot!
Anyway, I have fallen in love with it all over again. Yes, it is AR0, so it makes a difference depending on MOB. But you wont catch me without it again....
One clarification....
The 700-950 with the Mindshots was each, not both. So I could usually count on an average mind bleed of approx 1600 with both together. Now you MAY get this with one shot of a laser rifle, but you're just as likely to have to reshoot because of poor laser damage. I really like knowing I wont have to reshoot a MS. I feel like I can plan my shot sequence confidently with the DLT20A.
Same story, wish I had used it for the grind.
Basicly it is superior to the laser rifle for doing most specials because of the low ham and min damage. As a master I can use it to do a Strafeshot2 for 300+ damage area effect in PVP, every second, but is is great for spamming headshots as well.
1) Hunting Sharnaffs, which gets me a lot of downtime regardless
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2) Farming lairs for humbabas, bagerasets, krahbu, etc.
When I farm lairs, I do it for the meat and hides. So I'm interested in (A) maxing out the number of lair spawn, and (B) not having to hunt through a pile of identical corpses looking for the ones I haven't harvested yet.
So my lair farming usually goes like this:
Kill Bageraset with one headshot2 from T21.
Run over and harvest critter.
Lather, rinse, repeat until lair stops spawning.
Shoot lair one time to get more spawn.
Start over at beginning.
Continue until lair is completely empty.
I also hunt without armor. All my hunting is done in street clothes. So Mind Regen isn't an issue.
The time it takes me to run up, harvest a dead critter, run off again, target another critter, and fire off a shot is usually enough to regen mind.
And with a Laser Rifle or a T21, I can one-shot a bageraset or a krahbu (or a bunch of other animals) 95% of the time. I can two-shot a humbaba 50% of the time. Can't do that with a DLT20a, so the DLT20a isn't as useful to me.
VolstedGridban...
I agree. If you are shooting a MOB that can be 1, 2, or even 3-shotthen you most likely want your T21 or Laser. But IF hunting tougher MOBs for high XP togrind up rifle tree, thats when the DLT20A is invaluable.
I probably spent probably 6-10 hours this weekend hunting Greater Desert Womp Rats, Dewbacks, Rontos and Bantas and was only incapped on MIND two or three times. Unfortunately,even with a DLT20a there will be times where all you can do is go sit on your arse (love those English words!) and rest up.
WayneInAustin wrote:
I agree. If you are shooting a MOB that can be 1, 2, or even 3-shotthen you most likely want your T21 or Laser. But IF hunting tougher MOBs for high XP togrind up rifle tree, thats when the DLT20A is invaluable.
I probably spent probably 6-10 hours this weekend hunting Greater Desert Womp Rats, Dewbacks, Rontos and Bantas and was only incapped on MIND two or three times. Unfortunately,even with a DLT20a there will be times where all you can do is go sit on your arse (love those English words!) and rest up.
Then maybe I'm not understanding something here. Feel free to clue me in.
Sharnaffs are basically Rontos, I believe. Same basic critter model, but with fins and stuff. I am a 1/1/0/1 Rifleman, Level 14 according to the Mission Terminal. Both Sharnaffs and Sharnaff Bulls are red con to me. The bulls have around 10k HAM. Assuming I can get one seperated from the herd (bulls are social and will aggro on anybody that shoots another sharnaff within the bull's awareness range), the only way I can kill one solo is via the following method:
1) Mindshot2
2) Mindshot1
3) Headshot2 (to do something besides bleed damage, so I'll get XP)
4) Switch to Spraystick, stand up, spam Warning Shot until one sticks.
5) Switch between Headshot2 with T21 and Warning Shot with Spraystick as dictated by circumstances
The important thing to note here is that after step 3, the sharnaff figures out where I am and charges. Another important thing to note is that I don't use pets. I have no tank; it's just me, the MOB, and my rifle.
The bigger a bleed I can drop on them with the Mindshots, the faster they go down. The more Mind damage I can do with Headshot2, the faster they go down. With my current T21, I routinely hit for 1300+ headshots. When I was trying this with a DLT20a, I wasn't getting nearly those damage numbers, and the faster rate of fire didn't seem to make up for it.
If the MOB is going to aggro on me on the 3rd shot, then I need to make those first three shots count. The T21 seems to be superior to the DLT20a in this respect. But your experience seems to differ dramatically from mine in this respect. So I'm curious to know if you're using the same tactics I am. If not, how do yours differ?
For the last guy,the bleeds stacked with a DLT20A are more likely to be good damage because the variance is less.
With my laser I would find routinely bleeds of 120 that I'd have to reapply before I could get rollling on the headshots.
With DLT20a I stack up two bleeds between 400 and 750 and that means 800 - 1150 or so ticking away. That's the first two shots then ticking instead of possibly four or five shots to get good ones.
DLT20a is superior for xping. I wish it wasn't but it is.
Also get a good probot with 40% resists (or 4 like me so I can rotate them when one is damaged) send it out to the mob on follow target. Shoot the two mind shots then tell the bot to attack. The target will stay at range fighting the bot the whole time while you headshot your butt off.
The way I fight these days:
T21, mindshot2, mindshot1
Switch to sword
Or in a group, I switch to DLT20a and start doing HS3's
The T21 might kill faster but it costs more downtime.
And in PvP you basically don't want to use the T21, except for doing a mindshot2. You can't afford to headshot someone for 300 damage and take 160 damage yourself just from shooting.
Volsted...
That is the way I used to fight, and to kill ONLY ONE ronto/sharnaff (fill in the blank) that might work. But I am in it to kill as many as possible in as short a time as possible. The whole point of the DLT20A over the T21 is HAM usage over the long term. Firing Headshots with your T21 is going to leave your Mind pool a LOT lower than with the DLT. I'll be ready to kill the second one and third one much, much faster than using the T21 or Laser for my specials.