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Thread: More shots before detection.

Snowtred2
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:45 pm
#1

One of the reasons I picked Rifleman is for their ability to pull off many useful prone shots before being found.


Right now I can get 2 or 3 in, before they charge at me and I switch to melee, but is there any skill or combination of skills that will get me more? I hear of people pulling off 5 or 6 before aggro'ed... How is that?



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Laagernaught
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:57 pm
#2

Conceal shot will let you kill alot of things without being detected. I just got master yesterday and I can now get 6 or more shots before being detected(don't have to conceal), it's a really dramatic change after master.
XaverriJade7
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:01 pm
#3

If you are prone at maximum distance, you will usually get 2-4 shots off before detection. I have read that taking cover will allow for maybe 2 more. Is this true? I dunno. Guess I'll have to test this when I log on





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
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Kinnison75
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:24 pm
#4

At rifles 4, and Scout WIlderness survival III. I typcially can get off 4-6 shots without the creature even reacting, i was able to take out a Bantha that was laying down, and it only got up to do it's death cry. This is while kneeling and with maskscent. of course I am usally only going after Level 20-30 creatures taht are non-aggro. and 15-20 that are aggro.

That is why I am currently going Ranger/sniper. The ability to Solo unbuffed and even possibly not even have to use armor has great appeal to me



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XaverriJade7
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:28 pm
#5

I must be doing this wrong...


I grabbed a CDEF and just shot a plasma thief leader 11 times before he attacked me.Then I managed to fireat least 10 times before a kaadu started running towards me. That's a lot...





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
Elexis' Hard Wars Cafe in Paradox, Lok (1330, -305) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor
Ackehece
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:01 pm
#6






XaverriJade7 wrote:

I must be doing this wrong...


I grabbed a CDEF and just shot a plasma thief leader 11 times before he attacked me.Then I managed to fireat least 10 times before a kaadu started running towards me. That's a lot...





hmmm, are you using covert shot? if so you can keep at it until you either miss 3 times (rare at master ^_^) or a bleed hits.


prone + range 55m+ = 3 shots on average before detection but only if you are a using a slow rifle. if you have a fast one you may get more. CDEF = fairly fast for us. Maybe we should do some testing to see what the time limit is before creatures detect you. It may also have to do with the damge you do. low damage may mean more time before they attack. sounds like an experiement i will have to do tomorrow.





"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
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XaverriJade7
Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:06 pm
#7

I used autofire and HS1- definitely no concealshot





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
Elexis' Hard Wars Cafe in Paradox, Lok (1330, -305) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor
Ackehece
Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:11 pm
#8






XaverriJade7 wrote:

I used autofire and HS1- definitely no concealshot






hmmm then it definitely is a speed issue and range issue, the faster and further away you are the more hits you get in before they bother to charge Was able to do 9 today doing the same thing. so it must be some sort of timer or damage threshold you must reach



"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
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Ackehece - Eclipse | Tife - TestCenter




[--Riflewoman are all about sex drugs and rock and roll --]
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Ackehece
Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:13 pm
#9

hmm, and it appears I was one starred??? ah well... some people



"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
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Ackehece - Eclipse | Tife - TestCenter




[--Riflewoman are all about sex drugs and rock and roll --]
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Waste93
Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:29 pm
#10

I think there is some kind of timer. While prone you usually get detected on the third shot. However I think there is a timer between when it detected and when it attacks. Which could explain why when you fire fast you can get in extra shots.





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Ackehece
Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:21 pm
#11


actually waste... appears much has changed since last test

spent the last three hours on lok


max 15 secs


with a miss detection occured much more often


if less then 55m detected much more often


if greater then 54m and no misses fired until the creature died 90% of the time without detection


h= hits ad= after detection r= range m=missed


FBS (flit bloodsucker) average 13 hits over 75 test subjects


FY (flit youth) average 5 hits over 32 test subjects


F (flit) average 9 hits over 33 subjects


using a newb issued cdef rifle draw your own conclusions (only first 25 of each data set published here)







FBS 10h 3ad r54 FBS 12h r60 FBS 13h r64 FBS 14h r54


FBS 12h r57 FBS 13h 1ad r52 FBS 11h r61 FBS 9h 1m 3ad r64 (miss at shot 3) FBS 13h r56


FBS 10h 3ad r49 FBS 2h 10ad r34 FBS 12h r57 FBS 10h 3ad r54 FBS 12h r60 FBS 13h r63


FBS 14h r58 FBS 12h r57 FBS 13h r52 FBS 11h r61 FBS 11h 1m 1ad r64 (miss came at shot 12)


FBS 13h r56 FBS 14h r59 FBS 12h r60 FBS 13h r57 FBS 9h 4ad r54







FY 5h r56 FY 5h r61 FY 3h r60 FY 5h r58 FY 5h r54


FY 4h 1ad r52 FY 5h 1m r64 (shot 4) FY 5h r63 FY 5h r58 FY 5h r61


FY 6h r57 FY 5h r54 FY 5h r58 FY 5h r59 FY 4h 1ad r53


FY 5h r40 FY 5h r59 FY 5h r57 FY 5h r60 FY 6h r61


FY 5h r60 FY 5h r53 FY 6h r58 FY 5h r62 FY 5h r60







F 9h r59 F 9h r56 F 7h 2ad r53 F 9h r62 F 10h r62


F 9h r64 F 9h r58 F 9h r57 F 9h r52 F 6h 1m 3ad r64


F 9h r58 F 8h r58 F 10h r61 F 9h r60 F 9h r59


F 9h r57 F 11h r57 F 9h r62 F 9h r57 F 9h r61


F 8h r60 F 9h r53 F 8h 1ad r52 F 9h r58 F 11h r57






*oops forgot to add, master rifle, master marksmen + 2 speed sea, using headshot 1

Message Edited by Ackehece on 07-23-2004 05:32 PM



"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
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Ackehece - Eclipse | Tife - TestCenter




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XaverriJade7
Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:29 pm
#12






Ackehece wrote:

hmm, and it appears I was one starred??? ah well... some people






Turn ratings off- I find things much less cluttered without all those stars everywhere


And thanks for the data. Very well done!





Kezia Sunshade
RIS Certified - Master Armorsmith - 12 Exp. Pts
Vendor locations:
Outland, Naboo (7013, 3646) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor & Imperial Prototype PSGs
Elexis' Hard Wars Cafe in Paradox, Lok (1330, -305) - Kashyyykian Hunting Armor
Ackehece
Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:42 pm
#13






XaverriJade7 wrote:


Turn ratings off- I find things much less cluttered without all those stars everywhere


And thanks for the data. Very well done!






Actually the results surprised me a bit. Was not what I expected nor what I experienced in the early days of hunting with a rifle... otoh in the early days shoot at 64m 1 sec later creature was at 1 m.... so maybe I should have expected a big difference ^_^


oh and btw: I was prone for all the test shots (not sure I explained that in my previous post)




"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only
Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
Rifleman Correspondent | Galactic Senator from Naboo
Ackehece - Eclipse | Tife - TestCenter




[--Riflewoman are all about sex drugs and rock and roll --]
Encoded as per Garva




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