Rifleman Archive
Thread: conceal shot and the nature of the game
Some of us are more interested in a balanced, authentic Star Wars game than in being uber.
I'm a rifleman/ranger, and I think concealshot should be nerfed, too. I have yet to see it not work, making it a pretty game-breaking ability. And at an Intermediate level of ability, too. There should definately be some kind of small nerf on the ability - like you can only use it while prone, maybe, or can actually only be used while under cover (it says so in the description but this is not so). Then maybe the "cover" skill should effect how often /concealshot doesn't work.. its current effectiveness would be at like +100, and lower level riflemen would have a +20, +40 etc with proportional decreases in how often they are noticed.
If we don't suggest minute nerfs to the ability, other professions are going to get jealous and demand that the whole ability get nerfed, and it just might happen.
Well here's the thing. I've seen it not work plenty - which usually results in a rapid trip to the cloning centre. Sure a master probably won't miss much - but then a master doesn't need this shot.
It is sooo slow it's not funny - even slower than the feign death bleed method. It makes for a nice balance- hunt big game exchanging time for safety.
Its a powerfull shot don't get me wrong but it hits a random pool and at lower levels you miss just as much as you hit.
As it stands it is sometimes faster to kill things with bleed and run then it is to conceal shot things.
Conceal shot is just that one weapon skill in our tree.
It didn't work many times for me in the past and still does , Yes if one creature is out there by its lonesome its as good as dead.
If not for conceal shot 3/4 of novice rifleman couldn't do much more than get a non ch pet and or kite snorbals till they turn blue in the face and high as a kite on moun.
anything is kill able in this game with enough time and methods.
I'm suspicious about your claims Witter. I haven't made master yet (3-1-3-2) and I find myself using concealshot rarely. For gaining exp any of the AOE attacks combined with a group or a pet is far superior than using concealshot, and kitting using bleeds is also a reasonable alternative. For PVP concealshot is useless. Which basically leaves only one use for a master rifleman, as one method (a very slow one I imagine) to hunt the big game like kryats.
Also, concealshot is NOT 100% risk free. Two misses and the MOB and it's friends will aggro; If you let the MOB get within 35m of youit seems to aggro quite often; and if the MOBs you are fighting are aggressive there is also the danger of one breaking maskscent which will cause them to aggro.
Seriously though, why even worry about a skill like concealshot in a game where many seem toexp by parking their avatar outside somewhere like Restus and level up quite safely and effortlessly using their macro. "Nerfing" concealshot will only hurt players low on the rifle tree who also insist on soloing without a pet. Which brings me back to my suspicions, why would someone who has made master rifleman call for a "nerf" of this skill? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Witter wrote:
ok i started rifleman a week ago, am now a master. don't use conceal shot often, but even as a novice with one box i could solo lvl 41 missions if i was patient and only used conceal shot.. they WILL NOT aggro you unless you use a auto-attack or special attack other than conceal shot. If you continually use conceal shot you have 100% chance of not getting any aggro, which is rediculous. I went and killed 5 kunga using only this technique, never to see agro. it is rediculous. that is why i am calling for a nerf. i can understand not being seen for like 2-3 shots, but come on i shot over 30 times at least with no detection or reprecussion. again i state this was not at master, not even 4 boxesup the accuracy tree only 2.
Took you a week to master rifleman? if you seriously are not BS'ing and used concealshot the whole time, then i don't know what to believe. Rifleman takes the longest to master i believe.. took me at least 2 months or so.. but that was before concealshot was fixed.
um.....o..k LEts see..Nerf ? Why? Not to be picky I'm not a master rifleman yet I'm 3-2-3-3 sofar. And I miss still with this shot. onto of that. The mind costs are there. the only way I can over come that is with drugs. And then I'm stuck sitting as i wait for the downer to leave. Its much easyer to get exp in a group no matter how small then to jsut do this. I mean I killed a krayte (or how ever you spell it) dragon once with it.....DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT TOOK!!!!!!! And I had to run twice and almost did not make it. but thanks to burst run and using it at max range. Oh and I got bored so i went exploring dant today. I used it a few red cons. got 2 of them sat rested as I waiting for the downer effects to ware off. So I pump my self up again and think I'll take that third. Well I missed and guess what.....I was raped lol sorry guys but I don't see the overpowered part here. you can still miss you can still get your rifle shoved into a very unplesent and privet place.
But hey its one of are few things we do some what well at least some of the time hehe... I know lets nurf this but if we do I want master Ch's not to be able to use Rancors at pets 
Thats over powered too hehehe
Rifleman can now finally solo in the game just like any other proffession .
and people want to see us Nerfed again ....
Conceal shot is not 100% i have tested it and used it quite a bit in many situations...
Conceal shot vs lone single animal is almost alway a win
10000+ hp targets take about 8 - 10 minutes to take down with conceal shot.
in this time frame you are allowed only two misses.after that its run and gun time.
conceal shot vs mobs.
is a highly likely win but if mask scent breaks or you miss twice your in for a battle ... high lvl lairs will not be taking out with conceal shot as this would be a two or more hour process p... other tactics result in quicker mission success..
conceal shot vs lone npc . same as animal high chance of a win .
conceal shot vs npc mob
the chances of success here fall considerbly as you have to be in range to shoot which puts you at risk of being noticed by other npc's in the group .
i would say that every 1 and 3 npc mobs i have tryed to use conceal shot on has eneded up in a full battle due to me being noticed.
the statment about mastering rifle man in a week is BS
reason why ... it would take 650 targets at 456 combat xp each ... to get the combat xp needed for master ...
these targets take about 10 minutes to kill
that equals about 108 hours of in game time of non stop shooting of these targets . there is only one spawn in this game that can churn out that many targets in a small time frame...
but they dont give 456 combat xp.
ok so you say you was comando before rifle man and you had
tons of combat xp.
it would take about 240 creatures at 5000 xp to get 1 tree under rifle man this eqials out to about 40 hours in game time taking out these 5000xp creatures non stop.
with there being 3 trees thats 120 hours of in game time non stop killing of 5000xp creatures or npc's
not including time to to take to find rifle trainer and master rifleman trainer.
so all i have to say is stop the BS ..
conceal shot is not overpowered it is a tool in the rifle mans aresenal . it use is to solo.. all other combat classes can solo in game content there is no reason why rifle man cannot or should not be able to .
as other rifle man have stated . we have far better tools in your skills trees Our AoE shots when used properly and successfully puts the rifleman and or the group at less risk while dispatching the targets quickly.
rifle man will not be using conceal shot in groups as they are not going to wait 30 minutes to a hour on him to dispatch all targets .
and rifleman will not be the easiest calss to master because of conceal shot just for the fact of the length of time it takes to take something down.
the mind use of conceal shot is being totally forgotten about ... when using conceal shot on a high lvl target the rifle man has usually has to take a break to recover mind . this equals more time to take out a target .
there is no way that conceal shot has made rifle man a class that can own all. sure we can kill a single target one at a time slowly .
but we are most deffinetly not destroying every high lvl mob in a few minutes and going on war paths oblitering every thing in our paths.
conceal shot has just added a new dimmeinsion to rifle man that enables us to hunt solo and soften up tough encounters.
Witter wrote:
If you continually use conceal shot you have 100% chance of not getting any aggro, which is rediculous.
That's funny, because as a 3/3/3/3 Rifleman, I used conceal shot almost exclusively now, and I draw aggro fairly regularly, including numerous incaps and a few trips to the cloning center.
Anybody who says it's risk free is speaking through their buttcheeks.
It is LOW risk. It is not NO risk.
DS9 Wrote
Witter is a idiot... plain n simple
Man, you got that right, what a moron! We get nerfed, screwed with, things jumping on us from 60 meters away in a moment. We hit in PVP for 56 point, and before we can reshoot, get nailed 6 times with eye shot and killed from 60 meters with a **edit** pistol. And this ma-roon, who says he mastered in a week, is calling for a nerf on the class. Witter - go to hell!
I, for one, have complained about plenty of things so far, and we are just getting to the point where I really enjoy the profession. I call for a nerf on Witter, can we shrink him or something, lol.