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Thread: Its not STEALING so dont call it that.
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CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:33 am
#1
Right, stop saying that we will be "stealing" or "thieves", or even worse, "theifs".
Yes the dev said stealing. But, it isnt. If it was stealing you could nick anything, anytime. Its the targeted covert retrieval of something important. It, they say, is pretty much a test of what is to come. SMUGGLER missions, where they smuggle and we have to get the contraband from him.
And whats wrong with being a spy? I WANT an ejector seat for my AV21 and tuxedo/jetpack combination.
Landorien
Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:47 am
#2
Aye, stealing is a rather harsh word. The ranger won't be a petty thief.
Acquisition(sp?) seems the more logical term. Rangers will acquire items that other people cannot.
Smugglers are prone to bribing someone to get what they want; in most cases faction point from corrupt officers through their underworld contacts.
Rangers will, through stealth and cunning, retrieve certain information or crucial items.
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:12 am
#3
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:Right, stop saying that we will be "stealing" or "thieves", or even worse, "theifs".Yes the dev said stealing. But, it isnt. If it was stealing you could nick anything, anytime. Its the targeted covert retrieval of something important. It, they say, is pretty much a test of what is to come. SMUGGLER missions, where they smuggle and we have to get the contraband from him.And whats wrong with being a spy? I WANT an ejector seat for my AV21 and tuxedo/jetpack combination.
Do you work for the government by any chance?
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:29 am
#4
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Right, stop saying that we will be "stealing" or "thieves", or even worse, "theifs".
Yes the dev said stealing. But, it isnt. If it was stealing you could nick anything, anytime. Its the targeted covert retrieval of something important. It, they say, is pretty much a test of what is to come. SMUGGLER missions, where they smuggle and we have to get the contraband from him.
And whats wrong with being a spy? I WANT an ejector seat for my AV21 and tuxedo/jetpack combination.
Do you work for the government by any chance?
Yeah, but not in a capacity where the utilisation of extraneous words is expected for a required amount of obfuscation!
My day job requires me to put on camo, built traps and camps, and on occasion covertly gather information by means of infiltration and observation. Its not as exciting as it sounds, but the pay and, leave aint bad.
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 09-19-2005 07:29 AM
groundcrew
Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:31 am
#5
Bond FTW!!!!!
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Right, stop saying that we will be "stealing" or "thieves", or even worse, "theifs".
Yes the dev said stealing. But, it isnt. If it was stealing you could nick anything, anytime. Its the targeted covert retrieval of something important. It, they say, is pretty much a test of what is to come. SMUGGLER missions, where they smuggle and we have to get the contraband from him.
And whats wrong with being a spy? I WANT an ejector seat for my AV21 and tuxedo/jetpack combination.
Makkaio
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:01 am
#6
Hmmmmmmmm....
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: 'stE(&l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole/'stOl/; sto·len/'stO-l&n/; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b : to take away by force or unjust means stolen our liberty> c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner <steal a visit>
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring stealing the ball> <stole the election> b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
lFunction: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole/'stOl/; sto·len/'stO-l&n/; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b : to take away by force or unjust means stolen our liberty> c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner <steal a visit>
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring stealing the ball> <stole the election> b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
I know, I know! I'm a smart arse. But you're right, the context in which we will be stealing needs to be made clear to those that do not know how to use the DEV TRACKER! 
Message Edited by Makkaio on 09-19-2005 01:01 PM
Jaeryk
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:16 am
#7
Well it aint spying either...its RECON! No ejector seat for you
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
Right, stop saying that we will be "stealing" or "thieves", or even worse, "theifs".
Yes the dev said stealing. But, it isnt. If it was stealing you could nick anything, anytime. Its the targeted covert retrieval of something important. It, they say, is pretty much a test of what is to come. SMUGGLER missions, where they smuggle and we have to get the contraband from him.
And whats wrong with being a spy? I WANT an ejector seat for my AV21 and tuxedo/jetpack combination.
Tarnak_Archvold
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:43 am
#8
Stealing would be a matter of prospective would it not?
Rebel version of events:
Our agent in place was of monumental to the success of this mission. Whit out her lifting the access card from the brutish governor while he was intoxicated in the cantina it would never have succeed. The card allowed our strike teal to penetrate the Imperial Inquisition's Torture facility just outside town, and liberate 27 political prisoners. If they had not been freed thair fait would have been gruesome.
Imperial version of events:
Yesterday a group of terrorist took advantage of our benevolent governors trust in the people, and stole his access card while he was mingling with the public to get a feel for what they felt and thought. They terrorist then used the access card to brake in to the imperial holding facility outside town and free over two dozen criminals who was averting transfer to off-world prisons. The atrocity was no doubt planed to pay back the criminal elements in the population that give financial support to the terrorists.
Fodder650
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:55 am
#10
Its not political correct its enhanced vocabulary.
The unlawful removal of property from one person to another is theft or stealing. Calling it industrial espionage is the belief that corporations are above the law and that its not theft. But it is still stealing and theft of property.
A spy is a person employed for the purpose of theft and stealing. Whether of intellectual property or even of information. This person is a thief. Just a government sponsored one. There are also corporate spies which would lead back to industrial spying.
Sugarcoat it all you like. Wrap the language in PC all you like. Its still taking a creature specific profession and moving it into stealing and being a city ninja.
The unlawful removal of property from one person to another is theft or stealing. Calling it industrial espionage is the belief that corporations are above the law and that its not theft. But it is still stealing and theft of property.
A spy is a person employed for the purpose of theft and stealing. Whether of intellectual property or even of information. This person is a thief. Just a government sponsored one. There are also corporate spies which would lead back to industrial spying.
Sugarcoat it all you like. Wrap the language in PC all you like. Its still taking a creature specific profession and moving it into stealing and being a city ninja.
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:58 am
#11
The word stealing makes smugglers think they should do it. And your right it is still taking a creature specific profession (which belongs in a fantasy game) and moving it into a light clandestine recon spec ops unti (as a ranger is in Star Wars). Thank god its finally happened.
Fodder650 wrote:
Its not political correct its enhanced vocabulary.
The unlawful removal of property from one person to another is theft or stealing. Calling it industrial espionage is the belief that corporations are above the law and that its not theft. But it is still stealing and theft of property.
A spy is a person employed for the purpose of theft and stealing. Whether of intellectual property or even of information. This person is a thief. Just a government sponsored one. There are also corporate spies which would lead back to industrial spying.
Sugarcoat it all you like. Wrap the language in PC all you like. Its still taking a creature specific profession and moving it into stealing and being a city ninja.
Fodder650
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:59 am
#12
Oh man dont say stealing in the smuggler forums or even here. They dont steal. They arent thieves. They provide a service of being able to move materials from point a to point b without the man finding out. They do not remove said materials from the buyer without their knowledge. They may be talked about of the item. But they arent pickpockets.
No that would be us
No that would be us
CuchulainnDarklight
Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:01 pm
#13
auron508 wrote:
but they DONT STEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they lay down traps. even scy-fi do JUST INTEL not STEAL! its gonna be sploited to no end.
OVERALL THEY DONT STEAL!
How exactly can it be "sploited to no end" when in fact you cant steal anything from anyones inventory, for player/player interactions the other player, a smuggler, for instance, will be smuggling something that you have to acquire. They choose to smuggle that item and know that someone can lift it. how is that "sploiting".
And acquiring intel is stealing, admittedly its intellectual property but, you are taking from those that have it and giving it to those that dont.
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