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Thread: How would you feel about haven to get master marksman/scout to get ranger?
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poser00002
Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:26 pm
#1
Hellow all
How would u all feel if ranger was moved to master marksman and master scout? I know that it is alot of skill points to be master ranger. But for the amount of skill points it would cost then could make it worth being a ranger then. Change the harvest rate, give us a few traps that have better dmg, also give us the weapons we need to hunt big game. I think that if we had 200 plus points for master ranger it would be really worth being if they change ranger to work with combat. To be honest rnager is combat we do pve and hunt big game. A master ranger should beable to kill anything better then a master pistoler.tk,commando so on. Well to get that combat exp to go with it they could give us combat mods in ranger tree's to make us even better at killing. Just a rought idea wanted to ear what u all think.
MaxWellScot
Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:30 pm
#2
Thats exactly what i was tihnking in my thread, although maybe a whole other profession is a bit to much
Phenix1050
Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:36 pm
#3
um yeah. I agree. Double Mastery is a lot of points.
Plus, let us not forget our friends the Melee Rangers. I can't tell you how many times a TKM/Ranger has come in handy when getting Datho Leathery hide. Thus, I cannot support an idea that would make it impossible to have a Master Melee proffession along with a Master Ranger tag.
Perhaps if we reduce the requirement to ANY novice elite combat profs, I would be happy with that.
AgonThalia
Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:54 am
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ranger pikeman here.....
mastering marksman would annoy the crap out of me
mastering marksman would annoy the crap out of me
poser00002
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:09 am
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SOrry not trying to single out a a field but just trying to see what is best for ranger as a whole. If get marksman would give us the skills we need to make ranger a better combat class for pve i would welcome it. Even thoe id like tk better then marksman skill. But when i think ofa hunter ranged weapons and concealment come to mind. Not runing out to a rancor to beat it with my fists. Buta rifle even pistol with concealment worked would make the field good. If u get the skills to go with them. Such as deadly bleeds, we could get in a few shots from 50 meters with a rifle and let the animla bleed out. Also with big game hunt sorry but a ranger should beable to work a kryat or kimo down with out any help. Yes should take 20-30 mins to solo it but we are the best hunters and know the weak spots, so with a bleed and conceal we would never show are selfs. But with melee there is no point to conceal, sorry but if u are on top of an animal it makes it pointless to have.
JBMat
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:11 am
#6
Gee, wasn't that called Bounty Hunter?
And they whined and got it changed so they don't have to master Scout anymore.
No, I do not want to master rifles and carbines and the next to useless ranged support. If you want to, knock yourself out. Except MM is freaking useless in PvP and PvE. Master a weapon, any weapon, and you are better off than mastering marksman. Fact is, except for BHs, no one should master marksman.
Not a smart idea.
Everything you say has been said, and shot down. We have the weapons to take down large game, if you master a weapon there is nothing you can't solo, given tactics and time - and time is the killer.
Your premise is faulty, Ranger is not combat, we are combat support. I would suggest you read past posts about our role in PvP. Go way back.
If I wanted to become a BH I would first get a frontal lobotomy.
JB
poser00002
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:17 am
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Well not talking stand alone talking with a revamp. Most revamp ideas on the boards have weapons added in to them. Such as bows or rifles. I know people will not like it just to be a bow when they are melee any way. But if a revamp is to come to ranger and if we had to have master marksman to have more combat skills in ranger so we are better in combat in pve i would welcome it. Also after the revamp u wont be able to solo things anyway but a master ranger should beable to use skills to solo anything as even in the books rangers were able to solo a kryat with skilled shots. That is what i'm talking about. But fists is not what any ranger really is u dont hunt a deer with your fists do u? No u shot it from range and use hunting skills to get teh better over on an animal. Also master bh has no need for scout and never should have had to needed it. But ranger should havea built in weapon skill in to the tree and should also be a weapon that is better for pve then any other skill. A ranger should be better then 3 master melee skills for pve with animals.
poser00002
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:24 am
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Sorry for bad wording been up for long time mind is blurry ment after the combat revamp u want beable to solo anything. Was trying to point out that a ranger should just have a built in weapon to the skill tree and ranger should beable over time to solo anyhting such as a kryat with conceal and skill with traps so he is not detected. The ownlly way i see the devs given ranger the skills that a ranger should really have for master of the wilderness is but haven a combat master field. I dont see that field being brawler at all and marksman is more sound for a ranger for the skills ranger has with conceal and maskscent is all.
Owen-Lars
Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:57 am
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I dont agree at all that ranger should need master marksman.
Although im not one myself i have alot of friends who are melee rangers and would be devastated by this.
Ive just posteda tree idea that offers a discusion on what requirements you would be happy with.
Master Scout Only
Master Scout + Novice marksman/brawler
Master Scout + 1 mastered weapon tier in marksman and brawler (so rifle and unarmed for example)
This would reflect the rangers new combat orientation as detailed in the new tree but i also feel we should have skill points left to invest in professions that maybe let us participate more in pvp such as master scout, master ranger master rifleman.
AgonThalia
Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:05 am
#10
The beauty of ranger and the dabbling system is that we can customize our character and fight the way we like to fight.
JB prefers pistols
I prefer pike
Many others prefer rifleman.
Mastering Marksman would make us have to sacrifice either a weapon mastery (gimping our hunting abilities) or mastering ranger... something that for most of us is either difficult to do, or unthinkable.
While I appreciate the idea, the submission for debate and your effort to come up with a solution to make us better hunters, I think that the idea would be counter productive.
(my first post was pre-coffee, so i was a bit grumpy)
my main concern is obviously skill point loss to be a ranger, that and the bonuses at master marksman dont really justify the skill points spent to get it.
I respectfully disagree with the idea
JB prefers pistols
I prefer pike
Many others prefer rifleman.
Mastering Marksman would make us have to sacrifice either a weapon mastery (gimping our hunting abilities) or mastering ranger... something that for most of us is either difficult to do, or unthinkable.
While I appreciate the idea, the submission for debate and your effort to come up with a solution to make us better hunters, I think that the idea would be counter productive.
(my first post was pre-coffee, so i was a bit grumpy)
my main concern is obviously skill point loss to be a ranger, that and the bonuses at master marksman dont really justify the skill points spent to get it.
I respectfully disagree with the idea
Aenedor
Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:15 am
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OK, I've thought about this. I make most of my money hunting creatures for their organic resources, on Dath, Endor and Lok. As a master pistoller I can take most things down given time. I don't know, but I am guessing that as a master marksman I would be unable to fight all but the very weakest creatures, so bang goes my ability to earn a living. So a NO vote from me.
poser00002
Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:17 am
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Dont get me wrong i like melee it is a great area of combat. But just looking at ranger as hunter point ranged comes to mind for me. Also i would like to see ranger be the greatest class for pve with animals. Rangers should ahve the skill to take on anything with skill not just run up and kill it but use some tac to kill it. Use conceal, crawl, bleed, trap to kill not jsut rancors but kimos and other big game. Right now i know that u dont need to do that if u are melee. Most melee can solo a kryat or kimo. But after the revamp with armor and buffs getting changed it will be harder for those class's to solo things. When i think of a ranger thoe i think of a loner. Ranger should beable to be in the wild and beable to take on very high end game with out haven to be in a part. For that to work and for people not to scream that we are over powered we would need to spend more skill points to get the skills in the field to be what they should be. The best field to go with ranger would be marksman on the note of what skills u get with ranger just the concealment and other idea like guilly suites to hide better and use traps to bring animals to there death marksman would be the weapon to use from range. Melee just mutes this points of ranger to me. U cant hide from an animal if u are on top of it also cant seta trap if u are in the middle of a fight. That is all But i see your point for melee people would be for a lack of word sh&t out of luck.
poser00002
Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:20 am
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Aendedor but if u had a pistol or rifle bounes with ranger it would not be harder but easyer. That is what i mean with a revamp to ranger. The way ranger stands now it is a pointless field u dont need to be a ranger to harvest u can be a master scout with a driod and food and harvest as much as a master ranger does now.
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