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Phenix1050

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:57 am

Developer Hybrid Theory- (Carbines IV/Exploration IV)

This implementation of the Pre-Req wouldbe benefitial in several way. First of all, it justifies Ranger having speed and accuracy mods, as well as defensive mods. This is benefitial, as these mods can be combined with any ranged combat profession and make it more effective. It also conserves skillpoints for ranged profession, especially Carbineer and Bouny Hunter. By saving these skillpoints, Ranger becomes as powerful as other hybrid professions and can be paired with a lot of Combat Medic skills to greatly increase the usefullness of Ranger in combat situations. This allows for the creation of a very powerful Ranger template. In this implementation, it is likely that Rangers would advance using Carbine Weapons XP. This also promotes the addition of Ranger-only weapons.

Ranger Hybrid Theory- (Ranged Support IV/Trapping IV)

This implementation maintains the advantages of the developer hybrid theory, but is considered more balanced because it doesn't push people towards any one ranged profession. Thus, all Ranged Rangers are able to take the advantages of Ranger and combine it with the ranged elite profession of their choice without suffering a 14 skillpoint trap if they choose not to use carbines. This is advantageous for the large portion of the community who uses rifles. This also ensures that Ranger/BH doesn't have the same pre-reqs which prevents a template that would be amazingly powerful and low in SP use. The XP used here is less likely to be Carbine than with the developer hybrid theory, but it still makes sense. Much like Squad Leader currently uses pistol XP even without a pistols pre-req, we could still use carbine XP. This also promotes the addition of a Ranger weapon

Ranger Floating Pre-Req Theory- (Exploration or Trapping IV/Novice Combat Profession)

This theory appeals to the vast majority of people because it does create a hybrid profession, capable of stacking with an elite combat profession, but also allows for those Rangers to take part in becoming a hybrid. This ensures that melee professions are able to take advantage of the additional skillpoints, and would also allow for those people who enjoy being both Rangers and hunters to keep their Master Scout/Master Ranger/Master combat template. This solution maintains the balance between ranged and elite professions and ensures that everyone can create a Ranger in the image that they desire. The XP used to advance in Ranger would be difficult to decide upon because no specific weapon type would be used, but scout XP would still be a fair choice.

Ranger Elite Profession Theory- (Exploration IV/Trapping IV)

This setup, like the floating pre-req, maintains the balance between ranged combat professions and melee combat professions. It ensures that there is no specific way to play your Ranger, and ensures that any template can keep both Master Scout and Master Ranger along with their combat profession. Another benefit is that with the trapping line, a Ranger would have traps for creatures as well as traps for humanoids, as well as having a foothold for trying to ensure that Ranger APDs work against creatures as well. Gaining XP under this system would likely be done using scout XP, although it could easily be coded such that the Ranger trap line would require trapping XP, which could also be accomplished by killing something after damaging it with the trap.

Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 09-27-2005 03:27 PM

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

Phenix1050

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:58 am

#2

Developer Hybrid Theory-

Architect- 23 skillpoints left

Armorsmith- 23 skillpoints left

Bio-Engineer- 9 skillpoints left

Bounty Hunter - 52 skillpoints left

Carbineer- 52 skillpoints left

Chef- 23 skillpoints left

Combat Medic- 23 skillpoints left

Commando- 23 skillpoints left

Creature Handler- 38 skillpoints left

Dancer- 9 skillpoints left

Doctor - 9 skillpoints left

Droid Engineer - 23 skillpoints left

Fencer- 9 skillpoints left

Image Designer -39 skillpoints left

Merchant - 23 skillpoints left

Musician- 9 skillpoints left

Pikeman - 9 skillpoints left

Pistoleer - 38 skillpoints left

Rifleman - 38 skillpoints left

Shipwright - 23 skillpoints left

Smuggler- 9 skillpoints left

Squad Leader- 38 skillpoints left

Swordsman- 9 skillpoints left

Tailor - 23 skillpoints left

Teras Kasi Artist- 9 skillpoints left

Weaponsmith -23 skillpoints left

Ranger Hybrid Theory-

Architect- 23 skillpoints left

Armorsmith- 23 skillpoints left

Bio-Engineer-37 skillpoints left

Bounty Hunter - 52 skillpoints left

Carbineer-52 skillpoints left

Chef- 23 skillpoints left

Combat Medic- 23 skillpoints left

Commando- 23 skillpoints left

Creature Handler- 38 skillpoints left

Dancer- 9 skillpoints left

Doctor -23 skillpoints left

Droid Engineer - 23 skillpoints left

Fencer- 9 skillpoints left

Image Designer - 33 skillpoints left

Merchant - 23 skillpoints left

Musician- 9 skillpoints left

Pikeman -9 skillpoints left

Pistoleer -25 skillpoints left

Rifleman -52 skillpoints left

Shipwright - 23 skillpoints left

Smuggler-9skillpoints left

Squad Leader- 38 skillpoints left

Swordsman- 52 skillpoints left

Tailor -23 skillpoints left

Teras Kasi Artist-9 skillpoints left

Weaponsmith -23 skillpoints left

Ranger Floating Pre-Req Theory-

Architect-17 skillpoints left

Armorsmith-17 skillpoints left

Bio-Engineer- 9 skillpoints left

Bounty Hunter - 52 skillpoints left

Carbineer- 52 skillpoints left

Chef- 17skillpoints left

Combat Medic- 37 skillpoints left

Commando-37 skillpoints left

Creature Handler- 38 skillpoints left

Dancer- 9 skillpoints left

Doctor -52 skillpoints left

Droid Engineer - 17 skillpoints left

Fencer-38 skillpoints left

Image Designer -33 skillpoints

Merchant -17 skillpoints left

Musician- 9 skillpoints left

Pikeman - 52 skillpoints left

Pistoleer -52 skillpoints left

Rifleman -52 skillpoints left

Shipwright -17 skillpoints left

Smuggler-37 skillpoints left

Squad Leader- 38 skillpoints left

Swordsman-52 skillpoints left

Tailor -17 skillpoints left

Teras Kasi Artist-52 skillpoints left

Weaponsmith -17 skillpoints left

Ranger Elite Profession Theory-

Architect-52 skillpoints left

Armorsmith-52 skillpoints left

Bio-Engineer- 9 skillpoints left

Bounty Hunter - 52 skillpoints left

Carbineer-38 skillpoints left

Chef- 52 skillpoints left

Combat Medic- 23 skillpoints left

Commando-37 skillpoints left

Creature Handler-52 skillpoints left

Dancer-38 skillpoints left

Doctor -32 skillpoints left

Droid Engineer -52 skillpoints left

Fencer-38 skillpoints left

Image Designer -68 skillpoints

Merchant -52 skillpoints left

Musician-38 skillpoints left

Pikeman -38 skillpoints left

Pistoleer -38 skillpoints left

Rifleman -38 skillpoints left

Shipwright -52 skillpoints left

Smuggler-23 skillpoints left

Squad Leader-23 skillpoints left

Swordsman-38 skillpoints left

Tailor -52 skillpoints left

Teras Kasi Artist-38 skillpoints left

Weaponsmith -52 skillpoints left

Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 09-27-2005 05:03 PM

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

Maxanto

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:03 pm

#3

Calculus_Entropy wrote:

Maxanto wrote:

Calculus_Entropy wrote:
I believe this is what they call an exercise in futility...

Although you might be right... I don't think I would have been the first person to have shot down someones excellent post about the situation, esp if I was the Corr. I probably would have thanked the player for doing my responcibility and stickied it instead...

I'm not fulfilling my responsibility about this? That's news to me... My responsibility is to take the communities issues to the devs and I have done that. Why would I want to start another thread on the same subject as 10 other threads? Why can't my comment have meant that it's futile to try keep the arguments out? Oh, and where did I shoot Phenix down? Critical thinking doesn't appear to be a prerequisite for posting, I see.

Message Edited by Calculus_Entropy on 09-27-2005 01:55 PM

I can only guess what you edited lol.

This seems to me like a thread that is taking all the data from several different threads into one. Not starting something new. I can tell you are pretty bitter calc, I don't know about what exactly, but the community needs its corr to be proactive and positive, not bitter and pissed off. There are already plently of flamers. Some of what you just said I would never have expected out of you.

If someone takes the time out of their day, as you have many times in the past, to consolidate and organize their communities ideas into one thread, and then someone went and said "I believe this is what they call an exercise in futility" I can't possibily see that as constructive. What have you added to the conversation?

Atiro - Atreyu

Two Sides of the Same Coin

Calculus_Entropy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:12 pm

#4

Maxanto wrote:

I can only guess what you edited lol.

Spelling.

This seems to me like a thread that is taking all the data from several different threads into one. Not starting something new. I can tell you are pretty bitter calc, I don't know about what exactly, but the community needs its corr to be proactive and positive, not bitter and pissed off. There are already plently of flamers. Some of what you just said I would never have expected out of you.

/boggle I am not sure where I flamed anyone...hmmm...oh well, you want to be mad at me, so have at it. (And bitter? Hell yeah I am bitter...spend a few days as a corr and try to stay uhh...unbitter).

If someone takes the time out of their day, as you have many times in the past, to consolidate and organize their communities ideas into one thread, and then someone went and said "I believe this is what they call an exercise in futility" I can't possibily see that as constructive. What have you added to the conversation?

About as much as you have..anyway, if Phenix doesn't, I will make sure our comments disappear into the great unknown. Phenix can consolidate as much as he wants. The fact is, he hopes the flame wars over whether or not we want Carbines stays out of here, and I think that is impossible to do in a thread about what our prereqs should be. Anyway, we sure showed him .

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

Phenix1050

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:28 pm

#5

Calculus_Entropy wrote:

If someone takes the time out of their day, as you have many times in the past, to consolidate and organize their communities ideas into one thread, and then someone went and said "I believe this is what they call an exercise in futility" I can't possibily see that as constructive. What have you added to the conversation?

About as much as you have..anyway, if Phenix doesn't, I will make sure our comments disappear into the great unknown. Phenix can consolidate as much as he wants. The fact is, he hopes the flame wars over whether or not we want Carbines stays out of here, and I think that is impossible to do in a thread about what our prereqs should be. Anyway, we sure showed him .

well you're both right. I am simply consolidating, which I hope will make for a good referance thread, and I do hope the flames stay out of this thread. So you're both right in your assumptions of my intentions, but you're both wrong for bringing the hostility in here.

/bonk everyones' head together. There. I think we ALL needed that.

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

WildBil2Me

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:38 pm

#6

Holy Snikies.

Great idea for a post. One thing we really need to understand though is that the BLUE option is very definitely not going to happen.

Keep up the great work though Phen.

Col. Wyndinn Maer
Antarian Rangers: Wanderhome
SWGRanger.com

Vorpaks

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:38 pm

#7

The first two hybrid theories are a little off in the extra skill points I think. For example, Doctor will leave you with 23 (not 9) skill points and DE will leave you with 37 skill points. Unless I am forgetting to count something.

And... how can you reach their heads? *lifts Phe'nix up*

There! Now try!

Message Edited by Vorpaks on 09-27-2005 04:39 PM

Paks
Master Ranger/Master Creature Handler
-I support ATK play

Almagill

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:48 pm

#8

Vorpaks wrote:
The first two hybrid theories are a little off in the extra skill points I think. For example, Doctor will leave you with 23 (not 9) skill points and DE will leave you with 37 skill points. Unless I am forgetting to count something.

And... how can you reach their heads? *lifts Phe'nix up*

There! Now try!
Message Edited by Vorpaks on 09-27-2005 04:39 PM

I've seen TC Phen and he's taller than I am. Trust me, he can bonk their heads.

(Wonders if Americans use "bonk" the same way as we Brits do. And REALLY hopes they don't. Eeeuw)

As for Phen's post. I've really got no aptitude for all the technical ins and outs of it all, but yah, good to see the info hauled together in one place where we can look at it and go "oooh".

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Phenix1050

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:01 pm

#9

Vorpaks wrote:
The first two hybrid theories are a little off in the extra skill points I think. For example, Doctor will leave you with 23 (not 9) skill points and DE will leave you with 37 skill points. Unless I am forgetting to count something.

yeah, as I was compiling and copying, I messed a few things up. I'm editing as we speak.

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

AgonThalia

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:38 pm

#10

Almagill wrote:

(Wonders if Americans use "bonk" the same way as we Brits do. And REALLY hopes they don't. Eeeuw)

oh god no.
I could have lived a long and happy life and not had that image in my head.

thanks Almagill..

Draknev
The Last Ranger Correspondent
Subterfuge and Sabotage, Concealment and Camouflage:
Colonel: Rebel Alliance

Nikoziara

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:42 pm

#11

Ok I think that the point everyone is missing here is.....colors........ooooooohhhh soooo many bright colors........*gets bleary eyed and passes out*

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MTaffin

Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:56 pm

#12

The problem with the Hybrid models is that as a Doc/Ranger I wouldn't be able to keep Master scout or I wouldn't be able to Master Ranger/Doc. Those I'd have to Master if I wanted to be a CL of 80 so under the Hybrid model I'd have to lose scout skills, not really fair when I really already have them and grinded them up not repec'd them. And under the new system I'd want those improved scout skills ...

Calculus_Entropy

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:16 am

#13

I believe this is what they call an exercise in futility...

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

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